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Freakonomics podcast on marriage and income
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:43 am
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:43 am
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Stephen J. DUBNER: As an economist, why are you interested in things like marriage and fertility? Things like that.
Melissa KEARNEY: I’m really interested in issues of poverty, U.S. poverty in particular. It turns out that poverty and family structure are very intertwined in this country. If you’re thinking about the economic well-being of children in particular, it’s really hard not to be interested in questions of family structure.
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KEARNEY: In 1960, 5 percent of births in the U.S. were to unmarried mothers.
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In 2014, over 40 percent of births in the U.S. were to unmarried mothers.
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KEARNEY: The kids who are being born to less-educated, single moms are falling farther and farther behind.
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KEARNEY: It’s really hard for researchers to establish the causal effect of family structure or marriage on kids’ outcomes, of course, because we don’t randomly assign kids to married or unmarried parents. But there’s a lot of research that works really hard to isolate factors. That research consistently shows that kids who live with two married parents have lower rates of poverty, have higher cognitive test scores in childhood, have fewer behavioral problems. They seem to have better health outcomes. They’re less likely to live in poverty when they’re 25. They’re more likely to complete college and they’re less likely to become young, unmarried parents themselves.
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KEARNEY: I am perfectly comfortable saying that it looks like being born to two, or living with two married parents is beneficial for kids. I know a lot of academics, they don’t want to say that, right? Because it sounds really socially conservative and preachy. But what’s really interesting is if you think of how higher-educated, higher-income parents are behaving, they are still almost entirely having children inside of marriage. Both parents are investing an extraordinary amount of financial resources, time and energy into their kids. In some sense, it’s a luxury to be able to say, “I don’t want to make social commentary like that.” Well, that’s because the kids of higher-educated, higher-income parents — they’re doing extremely well. But the kids who are being born to less-educated single moms, they are falling farther and farther behind.
Full Podcast here
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:46 am to Dire Wolf
the rate of marriage is also falling and co-habiting is becoming more common. So yes the kid would be born to a single mom but the dad is still present within the household. It's just not "official" in the eyes of the gubment.
But I agree many more whoopsies are happening and its happening in the demographic where they are starting out with the best of circumstances to begin with.
But I agree many more whoopsies are happening and its happening in the demographic where they are starting out with the best of circumstances to begin with.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:47 am to Dire Wolf
I don't know how anyone could argue with anything in those statements
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:48 am to Dire Wolf
How is this not common sense
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:49 am to Dire Wolf
It's sad that this is in any way controversial.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:49 am to Salmon
I need to know which cocksucker political party this supports and which one this disproves before making up my mind whether this is #fakenews.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:49 am to tke857
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the rate of marriage is also falling and co-habiting is becoming more common. So yes the kid would be born to a single mom but the dad is still present within the household. It's just not "official" in the eyes of the gubment.
mentioned in the story
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According to survey data from the National Center for Health Statistics, more than 55 percent of all nonmarital births in the U.S. are unintended. This compares to 23 percent of married births. Now, you might think — wait a minute, just because parents aren’t getting married doesn’t mean they’re not living together as a family. In fact, nearly 60 percent of unmarried births are to couples who do live together. And you might think a cohabiting couple and a married couple are pretty the same when it comes to their children’s outcomes. But there you’d be wrong.
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KEARNEY: At the time of a child’s birth, half of these unmarried parents are living together and another third are living apart but are romantically involved. Many of them express very high hopes that they’re going to stay together and eventually get married. But actually what we see in that data is that five years after the birth of the child, only a third of the parents are still together and new partners and new children are very common. It’s not quite right to think of them as primarily stable relationships.
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MANNING: That’s true when you look at physical health, psychosocial outcomes or cognitive indicators. If your parents get married, then you are going to fare better than if you’re a child who’s raised by cohabiting parents who don’t get married. But it doesn’t seem as if cohabiting parents who eventually marry really achieve the same level of health as children with stably married parents. It doesn’t seem as if they’re able to catch up in the same way.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:52 am to Dire Wolf
All of this is exactly why me and my wife got married...because we knew we would want kids.
If we didn't want kids, we probably would have stay unmarried and just lived in sin with all the other heathens.
If we didn't want kids, we probably would have stay unmarried and just lived in sin with all the other heathens.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:53 am to tke857
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the rate of marriage is also falling and co-habiting is becoming more common. So yes the kid would be born to a single mom but the dad is still present within the household. It's just not "official" in the eyes of the gubment.
But I agree many more whoopsies are happening and its happening in the demographic where they are starting out with the best of circumstances to begin with.
The rate has increased, but not near enough to cover an eight fold increase in unwed mothers giving birth.
The other thing is that smarter, more stable families are being outbreeded exponentially.
I have a doctorate and my wife has a master's degree. We have two children and do not plan on more. My two brothers have three combined, my wife's two siblings have one combined. That's six kids in a family with five educated couples. There are hundreds of single moms on welfare with six or more kids in Jackson, MS alone.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:54 am to Dire Wolf
Not really a shocker that whole families and conservative values produce the best outcome for the country.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:58 am to Dire Wolf
Racist!!!
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:58 am to Womski
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How is this not common sense
It all comes back to politics. The left would rather jettison this truth in order to sustain continued support from blacks, who in the inner cities make up the vast majority of single parent households. It helps them with the feminist wing of the party (men are not needed) when it comes to educated, white mothers. By ignoring these statistics, they also get support from the gay community opposed to traditional families (mother/father).
Politics, man.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:05 am to Jack Bauers HnK
There is no white privilege but there is marriage privilege.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:06 am to Dire Wolf
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In 2014, over 40 percent of births in the U.S. were to unmarried mothers.
So many dog face filter thots out there.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:15 am to Salmon
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I don't know how anyone could argue with anything in those statements
Sometime I wonder if it is nature or nurture - are you doing better because your parents are together, or is it because your parents are genetically wired to succeed, which is why they stay together, and why you'll be successful as well?
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:16 am to Dire Wolf
Being unmarried and having a child before the age of 25 is like the number one path to poverty.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:17 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Not really a shocker that whole families and conservative values produce the best outcome for the country.
Generally, I agree that conservative values win the battle of family stability. However there are some things to consider.
1) Not all single mothers are created equal. What led to them being divorced. Was it based on a trivial matter or was it initiated by the husband.
There are two sides in every divorce story. What if child/marital rape, drugs, affairs, and life ruining financial problems were involved.
2) Notice how they focus on uneducated single mothers. Not all single mothers are uneducated. There are a lot of single women who are hard-workers and try to instill good values into their children.
3) Some of the problem is the expectations that women place on men. It seems some women are unattractive for marriage because their standards are ludicrous. Some of them want to dump the burden of their previous bad relationships on the next guy.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:18 am to Dire Wolf
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It’s really hard for researchers to establish the causal effect of family structure or marriage on kids’ outcomes, of course, because every time they try there is a massive ignorant erroneous claim of racism that shuts down any meaningful conversation
Fify
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:18 am to Dire Wolf
I recently made a thread about the marriage issue
Summary: marriage is now a class signal of sorts these days. the more well off are the ones getting married at high rates. marriage is not a behavior of the poor anymore, for the most part.
Summary: marriage is now a class signal of sorts these days. the more well off are the ones getting married at high rates. marriage is not a behavior of the poor anymore, for the most part.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:19 am to slackster
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Sometime I wonder if it is nature or nurture - are you doing better because your parents are together, or is it because your parents are genetically wired to succeed, which is why they stay together, and why you'll be successful as well?
like with everything, its probably a bit of both
like how 1 kid from a good family can become a successful doctor while the other kid from the same family becomes a drug addict
now put the same 2 kids with a single mom living in poverty, what are the chances the kid that became a doctor in the other family is now becoming a doctor?
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