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re: Freakonomics podcast on marriage and income
Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Given millennials seeming desire to delay/eschew marriage, and the fact women are more successful now than at any time in history, it seems like this will be more likely in the future
unlikely. again, this is a class thing and deep down they know it
and the generation following the millennials is not nearly as crazy/wild, plus they likely will face economic issues that will incentivize marriage/stability. they are completely fricked and they know it
we've had 2-3 generations of single women earners raising kids and we have the data to look at. there is no mythical bump that will occur (and the high-earning women are much more likely to marry, esp if they want kids, than not. marriage is a class signal and it's the lower class women who aren't)
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
Just jumping in here to say that I had always been told that getting married helps when it comes to taxes. Who made up that lie? We get raped by taxes every year. I legitimately feel violated by the IRS and some propose I should pay even more. So no, there is no financial incentive for marriage as it pertains to taxes.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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single women making 100K having kids who grow up and become successful.
What percentage of unwed mothers do you think this is?
Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:10 pm to Breesus
not many and that's the issue
they will probably never constitute a large enough % to really matter in terms of the overall discussion
when you factor in (1) they're more likely to get married and (2) those who don't get married are less likely to have kids, the population pitfalls
they will probably never constitute a large enough % to really matter in terms of the overall discussion
when you factor in (1) they're more likely to get married and (2) those who don't get married are less likely to have kids, the population pitfalls
Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:12 pm to NIH
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It isn't just about income. Having two parents means twice the amount of times you have a parent reading to the kid, twice the supervision, etc. Even a single mom with a good job will struggle.
A lot of people are talking about single moms making 100k and raising kids, the only single women making 100k+ that I know don't have time to raise kids. So I agree that I don't think this argument is about money as much as it's about time invested in raising children.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:13 pm to MontyFranklyn
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But if the intent is to disparage black people, isn't it in fact racist?
How can numbers have intent?
Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:15 pm to tigerbandpiccolo
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Just jumping in here to say that I had always been told that getting married helps when it comes to taxes. Who made up that lie?
There's benefits at the lower to low middle class levels. Once you get into the 28 percent tax bracket, it's a penalty, not a benefit.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:18 pm to tigerbandpiccolo
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Just jumping in here to say that I had always been told that getting married helps when it comes to taxes. Who made up that lie? We get raped by taxes every year. I legitimately feel violated by the IRS and some propose I should pay even more. So no, there is no financial incentive for marriage as it pertains to taxes.
Better to have a marriage ceremony and never fill out the paperwork. Less taxes for 2 singles than filing together.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:48 pm to Dire Wolf
"The whole of human history does not contain a single instance of a group becoming civilized unless it has been absolutely monogamous, nor is there any example of a group retaining its culture after it has adopted less rigorous customs."
J.D. Unwin (social anthropologist) studied 80 primitive tribes and 6 known civilizations and wrote his findings in his book Sex and Culture written in 1934.
What we call progressive is as tale as old as time. According to Unwin who said he "offers no opinion about rightness or wrongness" his research revealed civilizations cannot survive more than one generation after inheriting a tradition that doesn't insist on pre-marriage and post-marriage continence.
Link to goodreads book review
Interesting topic OP. Wish I could have added this earlier. I'm interested in others' thoughts on this. I was shocked when reading about Unwin's research for the first time.
J.D. Unwin (social anthropologist) studied 80 primitive tribes and 6 known civilizations and wrote his findings in his book Sex and Culture written in 1934.
What we call progressive is as tale as old as time. According to Unwin who said he "offers no opinion about rightness or wrongness" his research revealed civilizations cannot survive more than one generation after inheriting a tradition that doesn't insist on pre-marriage and post-marriage continence.
Link to goodreads book review
Interesting topic OP. Wish I could have added this earlier. I'm interested in others' thoughts on this. I was shocked when reading about Unwin's research for the first time.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 5:53 pm to MontyFranklyn
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If I spouted facts of history with the soul intent to disparage white people, wouldn't I be racist for doing it?
Not in the least. If you're including facts only, with no opinions mixed in you aren't being racist at all.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:05 pm to Dire Wolf
Leave me alone I'm beatin
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:34 pm to tke857
I love Freakinomics. It just makes sense.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:25 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:But if I'm doing it with the sole intent of just making the white race look bad and not taking any of the redeeming qualities or any of the good that white people have done, then my stance is just being negative and racist. Correct?
Not in the least. If you're including facts only, with no opinions mixed in you aren't being racist at all.
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