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re: Founder of Jimmy Johns is a big game hunter. ( people upset)

Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:32 am to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:32 am to
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More like in the pocket of the guide service owner and his guides. I'm sure it makes you feel good to believe that though.


The guides are not the ones selling the permit...

Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:33 am to
I do not understand the pleasure that is derived from hunting. I never had and I never will.In fact, I think in retirement I will devote my time to animal shelters and such, so much do I love our furry little friends. That said, I always laugh that the people who get ridiculously wound up about such things always prescribe violence as the solution to the problem. "He killed an animal. Kill him !".
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:41 am to
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I clicked on this wondering if someone had bumped a 5 year old thread


of 53 replies to the OP seven stated how old it was, the rest were on topic. I hadn't seen this before. My bad.

Like all the OT is new content anyway.
Posted by Barf
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:46 am to
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Thousands more people travel to Africa to view and photograph these animals in their natural environment than do people who go to hunt them.

They're more valuable alive than dead.



You seem to be missing, or willfully ignoring, a few key points. Africa is a huge place. Just because elephants are extirpated in one area, does not mean they aren't a nuance in another. Secondly, a lot of time the tags for these animals are sold at auction with a specific animal legally tied to a specific tag. If you spent a couple hundred thousand dollars on a governors tag to hunt Mule deer in Utah, you can shoot any mule deer you want in your assigned unit. Where as Africa might sell a tag for a specific black rhino that may be no longer viable for reproduction or a danger to other Animals. If it has to be culled to protect the population, why not sell the opportunity to hunt and use the money to fund whatever project they have in the area. Could be used to pay the salary of security personnel, breeding programs, research, ect ect ect.

Lets say you have 10 black rhinos left in a given area. 4 are in their breeding prime, 2 are calves, and 2 are yearlings who are not yet viable. The 2 remaining animals are no longer viable for reproduction, with 1 being a bull who's already killed two younger male rhinos. A lot of times this is where big game hunting can be a conservation tool. That male rhino must be culled, unless you plan on talking to him about being nice to other young male rhinos. Why not auction off the opportunity to shoot that bull and use that money to fund your rhino herd?

I don't know the jimmy johns guy so I cant' speak for his hunts but like it or not there are times where big game hunting is helpful for the survival of a species.
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:48 am to
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Thousands more people travel to Africa to view and photograph these animals in their natural environment than do people who go to hunt them.
Which doesn't quench the demand for tusks/horn/ivory/etc.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:55 am to
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More like in the pocket of the guide service owner and his guides.

the people who have an interest in keeping their populations healthy

also many of these operations are based around scientific data for culling herds or removing specific animals that will be killed anyway.

article about culling lion populations

this is just for lions, but the 3 things killing lions and affecting populations are (1) habitat loss, (2) farmer killing to protect expanded human habitats, and (3) lions (who have less habitat and more competition).

article on the infamous black rhino hunt a few years ago

quote:

Since 2004, both Namibia and South Africa have each had annual hunting quotas of up to five black rhino bulls approved by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES -- an organization formulated by the IUCN).
Only specific, surplus males are hunted, with each case considered on its merits.


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Not a single country has hunted five black rhino bulls per year -- the quota approved by CITES, indicating that conservation, rather than profit, has been driving the hunting. The maximum quotas approved currently represent only 0.24% and 0.29% of the national rhino population in each country. Clearly, rhino hunting levels have also been sustainable.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:58 am to
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Where as Africa might sell a tag for a specific black rhino that may be no longer viable for reproduction or a danger to other Animals. If it has to be culled to protect the population, why not sell the opportunity to hunt and use the money to fund whatever project they have in the area. Could be used to pay the salary of security personnel, breeding programs, research, ect ect ect.

and what people often miss is those animals are going to be killed regardless due to the issues

so you can either (1) have the game management kill the animal without anyone knowing because it's just culling the heard or (2) they can make a few hundred grand and offer a permit for that one animal to be killed by a westerner. either way the animal dies. which one has a better benefit overall?
Posted by Barf
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:02 am to
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do you think he does it because he wants to feed poor people? or he gets his kicks killing animals?


This is a silly argument. If he got his kicks killing animals he could just go down to the local humane society and spend an afternoon killing cats and dogs by the dozens in air conditioned comfort. Not spend more money than you will see in life time to stand out in the heat for for a small opportunity to shoot something.
Posted by ElroyJetSon
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:03 am to
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UPT


nice try
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:04 am to
Boy does he have an extreme case of punchable face disease.
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:04 am to
While this was news two years ago, I do think it takes a pussy to go pay a bunch of money to go shoot endangered animals. Going somewhere, being put in position to not be in danger of the animal and then just pointing a gun and pulling the trigger isn't fricking hunting.

He sucks just as much as his sandwiches.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:07 am to
let me clarify something. i don't get big game hunting and i doubt i'd ever participate in it

but there are lots of markets that i don't get and won't participate in that are important economically
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:13 am to
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but there are lots of markets that i don't get and won't participate in that are important economically


From an economical standpoint i get it, but what happens when that well runs dry?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:15 am to
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but what happens when that well runs dry?

the issue of critical populations aren't from hunters

often they're part of a scheme to maintain populations
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:18 am to
Tpos, and what a waste.
Posted by The Mick
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:23 am to
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I actually don't get the appeal of big game hunting. Shouldn't you only kill what you eat?
The big game fishing community learned this concept, generally speaking. Most tournaments now are catch and release. If a fish dies in the fight then they mount or process but catch and release is the way to go.

Big game hunters are douche bags imo.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:27 am to
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From an economical standpoint i get it, but what happens when that well runs dry?


big game hunting operators have enough stake in the game to make sure this doesn't happen

that is how they are preserving these animals by hunting them

Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:33 am to
I just don't get why anyone thinks it's ok to shoot an elephant. Sure if it's terrorizing a town, but that's really it. I just don't see the difference between killing elephants, chimps, and dolphins.

Elephants use tools. They can paint pictures. They have funerals. They look after each other from an emotional standpoint more than any other animal. It doesn't make sense to me that people are more outraged by whaling than they are people killing elephants. It's beyond me.
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:34 am to
Making sandwiches is for women.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:34 am to
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It doesn't make sense to me that people are more outraged by whaling than they are people killing elephants. It's beyond me.


are they? seems like the same people are outraged over both
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