re: Founder of Jimmy Johns is a big game hunter. ( people upset)

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So, instead of useing the excuse that the money to kill them is funding their preservation why not just give it to the refuge.

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This scenario provides 0 incentive for the locals to keep them around. We like to assume they actually give a shite about the big game when in reality the are only thinking about their next meal.

If you give them reason to protect them such as preserving the species so that a hunter can hunt it for large amounts of money, that in turn makes them realize they are actually valuable.

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. I think that the natives can find their own food being that their ancestors are among the first on earth. I just don't support shooting lions, elephants, etc. They're huge majestic creatures that I'm sure can get by given the necessary habitat. So, instead of useing the excuse that the money to kill them is funding their preservation why not just give it to the refuge.

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Nice kills.

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nst hunting at least have their own twisted logic on their side. You, however, sprinkle doe piss at your feet and act like you have some kind of moral high ground. It's ridiculous.

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Come on fella'. What does this even mean? My point is that I'm hunting white tail because they are plentiful and I'll be eating it. Not sure where your going with the doe piss but it certainly is irrelevant. I only mentioned it because I was accused of hunting in a box over feed. Money to kill motivates the natives you say? Well my only point was that there's no diff in paying them up front or for a dead animal. As I said earlier, I'm only defending endangered species and those on a decline. Can't understand how so many get but hurt about this subject when someone feels different about hunting animals that will end up on the diner table and those killed only to stuff. If the animals are protected natural will take its course for the sick and injured.

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Can't understand how so many get but hurt about this subject when someone feels different about hunting animals that will end up on the diner table and those killed only to stuff.

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I can't figure out why you think these animals are not eaten by the locals. It's almost like you're under the assumption they shoot, do their grip and grin hero shot, and then walk way. That's not how it works.

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If the animals are protected natural will take its course for the sick and injured.

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Normally I would agree with you here but herd management dictates otherwise. Non viable animals have to be culled or else they are a risk to the breeding population. What happens when you're down to a dozen or of a species and one of your old, non breeding age, males starts killing young males over territory? This is exactly how most of these African game tags go to auction. Wildlife research is stupid expensive, these non viable animals fund conservation through hunting.

To blow your mind even more, sometimes they don't find the animal they paid for, when this happens they go home empty handed.

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"Those Japanese love and respect those whales."

No way you'd hunt down an elephant or rhino if you respected it as a species.

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Not a proponent of whaling, but the targeted Minke whales have never been considered endangered.

Whales are smart, and for whatever reason people don't like eating smart things. Which is weird because nobody is crying about pigs.

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and if you look into almost any of these situations, they are monitored by MULTIPLE agencies. african governmental agencies, international agencies, and if it's a US hunter, the US government. all have to approve the tag by looking at the data presented. i get that african nations aren't reliable, but this goes well beyond them

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Everyone seems to think you can just buy a rihno or elephant tag, fly over to Africa and bring back a trophy. You first must obtain an import permit from FWS

LINK

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Q: Why is the Service issuing permits for the import of a black rhino sport-hunted trophy?

A: Namibia implements a science-based management strategy for black rhinos that outlines clear goals and objectives for conservation of the country’s black rhino population. In 2003, Namibia instituted the Black Rhino Conservation Strategy for Namibia with specific management goals in the areas of range expansion, biological management, protection, policy and legislative framework, capacity-building and sustainability. As part of this strategy, Namibia authorized an annual harvest of up to five male black rhinos. The removal of limited numbers of males has been shown to stimulate population growth in some areas. Removing specific individuals from a population can result in reduced male fighting, shorter calving intervals, and reduced juvenile mortality. All known black rhinos in Namibia are ear-notched to assist in identification and monitoring. This ear-notching system makes it possible for the Namibian government to select specific individuals for culling based on age, reproductive status and other factors that may contribute to the overall health of the population.

Further, the Namibian government requires a significant contribution to the Game Products Trust Fund (GPTF) for any sport hunting of black rhino to ensure revenue is directed toward conservation. Money accrued from trophy hunting of black rhinos has been used to fund annual black rhino counts, improve rhino crime investigation and prosecution, and ensure the traceability of all rhino horn owned by Namibia.

Q: Is the Service concerned that the issuance of these permits will prompt a flood of additional applications?

A: The Service has received four applications to date, three for rhinos from Namibia – one of which was issued in April 2013 and two others that are being issued in April 2015 – and one from South Africa, which was withdrawn. Although we anticipate receiving additional applications now that we have issued permits, the Service can issue only up to 10 import permits annually (five each for Namibia and South Africa), since this would be the maximum number of exports that could be made under South Africa’s and Namibia’s CITES-approved quota. However, we have not determined whether imports from South Africa would meet the requirements for import under the ESA and CITES.

In addition, although we have issued one permit for an import from Namibia and intend to issue two others, we have not determined that all such imports could be authorized. The review of any future applications will be based on the eligibility of the applicant, biological data of the specific black rhino being hunted, as well as any new information available at the time the application is received.

Q: What criteria must be met for the Service to issue a permit for the import of a black rhino hunting trophy from Namibia?

A: The black rhino is listed in Appendix I of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) and as endangered under the U.S. Endangered Species Act (ESA). Before an import permit can be issued for a CITES Appendix-I species, the Service must determine that the import will not be detrimental to the survival of the species. For a species classified as endangered under the ESA, the Service must determine that allowing the import will enhance the species’ survival. The ESA also requires that any federally authorized activity may not jeopardize the continued survival of the species. To make these findings, the Service looks at the biology and overall management program for the species. Factors we consider include: the biological needs of the species, possible threats to populations, current population estimates, management plans, legal protection (for sport-hunted trophies this includes hunting regulations and any applicable quotas), local community involvement and, if any funds are generated by the import, how funds are used for conservation. Obtaining the information on a country’s management program may entail a lengthy consultative process between the country of export and the Service.

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I really don't understand why people want to kill a rhino an an elephant.

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I really don't understand why people want to kill a rhino an an elephant.

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Why would someone want to climb Everest?

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Why would someone want to climb Everest?

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Because the two are so very similar......