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re: Founder of Jimmy Johns is a big game hunter. ( people upset)

Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by TennesseeFan25
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:33 pm to
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that rhino was going to be killed one way or another


That's a pretty silly assumption since the entire premise for it being ok to hunt the dude was that he was the most mature of the bunch and past mating age.

At the very least you have to admit he was shifty in even making it to this point, so no reason to assume he was going to be killed anyways if he's already made it this far.
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:33 pm to
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I have heard the big cats are actually very tasty. what? no way


Why?

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:34 pm to
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That's a pretty silly assumption since the entire premise for it being ok to hunt the dude was that he was the most mature of the bunch and past mating age.


I don't think you get how wildlife works. You don't just live forever when you get old and weak.

ETA: And if you're talking about poachers, it's a pretty reasonable assumption.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:37 pm to
SIAP... So we are upset that he puts over a quarter million dollars into some of the poorest economies in the world routinely? Not to mention that the meat, hide, and other byproducts of the kill are in all likelihood going to feed, and warm the hungry? What a terrible POS.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:38 pm to
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That's a pretty silly assumption since the entire premise for it being ok to hunt the dude was that he was the most mature of the bunch and past mating age.


It isn't an assumption. That rhino had already been chosen as a cull for conservation purposes.
Posted by TennesseeFan25
Honolulu
Member since May 2016
8391 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:45 pm to
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I don't think you get how wildlife works. You don't just live forever when you get old and weak.


Yeah... I was kind of tracking that one, appreciate the clarity though.

My point was that just because you get old and weak doesn't mean you're going to get shot in the Rhino face.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:46 pm to
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My point was that just because you get old and weak doesn't mean you're going to get shot in the Rhino face.



in preserves it does
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:46 pm to
Why do you keep throwing the term "liberal" around just because people think it's fricked up to kill an elephant or a rhinoceros? I'm against trophy killing in general but have never voted blue and align politically only slightly left of fascism. It makes you look like a moron when you just blindly label people as a "liberal"
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 2:47 pm
Posted by TennesseeFan25
Honolulu
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:46 pm to
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Salmon


Just you wait until you swim to your spawning grounds this year, I am rooting for the bear, let me tell you what.
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:50 pm to
In almost all cases, apex predators are not tasty
Posted by JJBTiger2012
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
1891 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:02 pm to
I'm sitting in a deer stand rite now as I type this and will agree that hunting these large animals is wrong. I support killing animals that you actually eat and are not endangered or close to it. Why can't they have open seasons on those wild arse Africans who are driving these animals to extinction? Frick ppl
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:09 pm to
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That's a pretty silly assumption since the entire premise for it being ok to hunt the dude was that he was the most mature of the bunch and past mating age.

what do you think the rangers do with these animals when they become a problem and they can't sell a hunt? they get killed to cull the herd to promote breeding and genetic proliferation. these animals are not re-located cheaply and no other preserve will want a non-breeding alpha male who will disrupt their breeding
Posted by Barf
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:09 pm to
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I'm sitting in a deer stand rite now as I type this and will agree that hunting these large animals is wrong. I support killing animals that you actually eat and are not endangered or close to it


The only reason you're able to sit in that deer stand is because of the hard work done by hunters before you. Without them, we have no deer. Turkeys are a good example of this. Without turkey hunters we don't have turkey seasons in 49 states.

Typically these animals are eaten by the locals. When this happens, zero parts of the animal go to waste.

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Why can't they have open seasons on those wild arse Africans who are driving these animals to extinction?


They do. Poachers are met with a shoot first, ask questions later approach.

If you are actually interested in big game hunting, three is lots of good information out there but don't shite on us from your box stand over a corn pile and call us monsters.

This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:12 pm to
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In almost all cases, apex predators are not tasty

yea they eat like shite and often eat dead animals and shite and have all sorts of issues

it's like when you kill bears matters. if you get them when they can eat fruit? wonderful meat. if you get them after they've been scavenging? terrible (and dangerous)
Posted by TennesseeFan25
Honolulu
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:13 pm to
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are not re-located cheaply and no other preserve will want a non-breeding alpha male who will disrupt their breeding


ORLY?

I know a large open habitat at the Louisiana State University that is currently vacant.

The LSU Rhino's sounds pretty damn legit. You can even call him Mike
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:14 pm to
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The only reason you're able to sit in that deer stand is because of the hard work done by hunters before you. Without them, we have no deer. Turkeys are a good example of this. Without turkey hunters we don't have turkey seasons in 49 states.

Typically these animals are eaten by the locals. When this happens, zero parts of the animal go to waste.



Yes, God bless the elephant killers. You guys are clearly heroes. Seeing kills like this really make people want to preserve the elephant for future generations to hunt as well.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:16 pm to
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ORLY?

I know a large open habitat at the Louisiana State University that is currently vacant.

i don't think that would even be legal

i am pretty sure it's illegal to transport these animals outside of Africa while alive

there MAY be a way for zoos to "trade" for it (since even zoos can't buy animals), but i don't think the cost of transportation (which would likely be 7-figures) would be worth the value. transportation costs for these animals are insane
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:17 pm to
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Yes, God bless the elephant killers. You guys are clearly heroes. Seeing kills like this really make people want to preserve the elephant for future generations to hunt as well.

it's very likely that a bull in that herd was being culled no matter what

does it make you feel better than an African ranger gets to kill the elephant instead of a rich Westerner who paid for the privilege to do his job for him?
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13541 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:22 pm to
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My point was that just because you get old and weak doesn't mean you're going to get shot in the Rhino face.


Yea, typically you would get ripped apart while youre still alive by coyotes, wolves, lions, or hyenas or you would starve to death or be mauled by one of your own kind over territory, or you would drown.
Posted by TennesseeFan25
Honolulu
Member since May 2016
8391 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:25 pm to
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Yea, typically you would get ripped apart while youre still alive by coyotes, wolves, lions, or hyenas or you would starve to death or be mauled by one of your own kind over territory, or you would drown.


Maybe, maybe not.

The ole boy made it a long ways against some pretty poor odds. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I understand the purpose, I understand the points.

I still cannot get on board with killing one of these animal's unnaturally when there are only... hundreds, if that many, left on the earth.
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