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Posted on 12/28/14 at 5:53 pm to Redbone
Anybody remember this?
Shootings at Southern U.
Two Southern University students, Denver A. Smith and Leonard Douglas Brown, were shot and killed with shotgun pellets during a round of protests and class boycotts at the university on Nov. 16, 1972.
Smith, 20, of New Roads, and Brown, 20, of Gilbert, were part of a civil-rights demonstration that day that involved a group of students who presented a list of grievances and demands to the university’s administration.
The students wanted better housing conditions, improved classrooms, a share of financial resources closer in line to LSU’s and a stronger voice in state policymaking decisions for Southern.
Former Southern University student Frederick J. Prejean, who was arrested that day for his role in the protest, said law enforcement officials threw tear gas containers at the students and students threw them back.
Soon after, students started running away from the law enforcement officials, and Brown and Smith were shot and killed.
No one was ever charged in the deaths of Smith and Brown.
Edward Pratt, assistant to the chancellor for media relations at Southern University, was on campus the day of the protest and deaths.
Pratt, also a former editor for The Advocate, wrote in 2001 that most people at the school that day believe local law enforcement officers shot and killed Smith and Brown.
Shootings at Southern U.
Two Southern University students, Denver A. Smith and Leonard Douglas Brown, were shot and killed with shotgun pellets during a round of protests and class boycotts at the university on Nov. 16, 1972.
Smith, 20, of New Roads, and Brown, 20, of Gilbert, were part of a civil-rights demonstration that day that involved a group of students who presented a list of grievances and demands to the university’s administration.
The students wanted better housing conditions, improved classrooms, a share of financial resources closer in line to LSU’s and a stronger voice in state policymaking decisions for Southern.
Former Southern University student Frederick J. Prejean, who was arrested that day for his role in the protest, said law enforcement officials threw tear gas containers at the students and students threw them back.
Soon after, students started running away from the law enforcement officials, and Brown and Smith were shot and killed.
No one was ever charged in the deaths of Smith and Brown.
Edward Pratt, assistant to the chancellor for media relations at Southern University, was on campus the day of the protest and deaths.
Pratt, also a former editor for The Advocate, wrote in 2001 that most people at the school that day believe local law enforcement officers shot and killed Smith and Brown.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 5:57 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Nostalgia is extremely powerful.
Perhaps true but I overheard to black men talking when the "rumblings" first began. They were very unhappy to hear the news. They talked about how well the white people treated them. They were afraid it would all change for the worse.
Some were happier. Obviously some weren't.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 6:00 pm to Redbone
That was before my time but I know Pratt well
Posted on 12/28/14 at 6:28 pm to 337Tiger19
My gramps was chief of police in a coastal MS town during the Sixties and the MS State Sovereignty Commission used to try to keep tabs on any incidents involving blacks by getting info from local PD's. If there were any particular areas of the state where they thought blacks were getting out of hand, they'd promote all kind of subversive shite to help terrorize the black people in those towns. My grandpaw refused to cooperate with the Commission, and in so many words, told them that they could get fricked, he wasn't helping them spy on the blacks of his community.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 12/28/14 at 6:41 pm to 337Tiger19
Another story from my dad:
My dad's Catholic high school football team back in the sixties had two black players on it, and whenever they had to stop and eat while on away games, everybody but those two guys were able to eat in the restaurant wherever they stopped. The coach would have to grab their food and bring it back to them and they'd have to eat on the bus. One time on a road trip in BFE Mississippi, a diner owner wouldn't let one of the white guys--a dark-skinned Cajun guy--eat in the restaurant, either. He had to eat on the bus with the other two guys that week.
My dad's Catholic high school football team back in the sixties had two black players on it, and whenever they had to stop and eat while on away games, everybody but those two guys were able to eat in the restaurant wherever they stopped. The coach would have to grab their food and bring it back to them and they'd have to eat on the bus. One time on a road trip in BFE Mississippi, a diner owner wouldn't let one of the white guys--a dark-skinned Cajun guy--eat in the restaurant, either. He had to eat on the bus with the other two guys that week.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 7:11 pm to 337Tiger19
My siblings and I attended public schools in BR in the 60's through the 80's. We saw the effects as students. My father was a public school educator. He was passed over frequently, along with other better qualified educators, so a black person could get the promotion. He mentioned it to me one time late in his career but never complained. I had some awful teachers and witnessed already sub par schools go to shite thanks to Judge John Parker. The way desegregation was done hurt almost everyone with minimal benefit, if any. I had friends that had to ride the bus for over an hour. They wouldn't play sports or attend any after school event. Their parent(s) didn't have the time, or money, or transportation. A child couldn't participate in those things because they lived in the inner city, far away from their school. Yes, black children missed out because of the shitty way forced integration was implemented. There were a lot of my friends that their parents just sent to private schools. When Parker recently died the Advocate wrote an article about him. The comment section was locked out, shocking. I'm sure the majority of the comments would have been about his influence in the community. Call me racist, OK, but those things didn't happen because I'm racist. My brothers of another mother tell me that I am not racist enough.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 7:35 pm to 337Tiger19
I must have been in 3rd or 4th grade and remember long picket lines of white parents while riding the bus into school. Don't really remember any trouble at school. I had a friend in college(early 80's) who said that black folks wouldn't have been welcomed at his church. Said they would have been "encouraged" to find another place of worship. All this was in Asc. Parish.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 7:56 pm to ALWho
My pops and his friends got into homing pigeons. They weren't allowed to join the club but one of the white guys agreed to take the birds to shipping for them. Another club member found out and turned his dog loose on the crate of pigeons, killing them all. He also remembers the signs, the side window at restaurants, and having to stand while eating in the ones that allowed them in. I understand why old black folk have a negative attitude or a general sense of untrustworthyness of white folks.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 8:07 pm to 337Tiger19
In 5th grade (1970) my dad a reporter took my sister and I as a cover to attend a Klan meeting in Livingston parish to investigate which politicians were members of the Klan. He gave us fake names and told us not to tell anyone who we really were or they'd kill us. I was "Bobby". I was scared shitless. We left as they burned a cross.
After he ran his article in the Advocate, they burned a miniature cross in our yard.
My dad grew up in Philadelphia MS. He was so ashamed of what happened there he never told me about it. It wasn't until "Mississippi Burning" came out did I realize what had left such an impact on his life
After he ran his article in the Advocate, they burned a miniature cross in our yard.
My dad grew up in Philadelphia MS. He was so ashamed of what happened there he never told me about it. It wasn't until "Mississippi Burning" came out did I realize what had left such an impact on his life
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:38 pm to jack6294
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a Klan meeting in Livingston parish
There is a old guy in St.Amant that used to have Klan rallys in the field on the side of his house. I passed by one time just before it was to begin. There were people parking on the side of the road to watch. A few black people were mingling with the other watchers. I got a real good laugh when I saw 2 white young guys and a young black guy sitting in lawn chairs in the back of a pickup. I bet it really pissed off some of the guys on the other side of the fence.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 11:46 pm to ALWho
How was integregation done poorly? Looking from it at a modern perspective, it seems as a large majority was complacent and supportive of the continued socioeconomic and legal oppression and terrorism of black people. The govt had no choice but to force those that did not want to uphold the bill of rights forcefully. And it's evident that many did not support it when you look at the mass white flights of the 70s and 80s.
Sad times for our country.
Sad times for our country.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 11:49 pm to StrongSafety
Anyone that says blacks were "happier" then is asisine, ignorant and apart of the problem. How is it even conceivable that people who respect otbers that could legally treat them as less than? Where is the logic in this? How could blscks be happy with not being able to access the best resources for their kids?
Posted on 12/29/14 at 12:01 am to StrongSafety
My grandmothers brother went to Tulane Medical School in the '20s and became a very well known doctor in North Louisiana. My mamaw wanted to be a doctor too but her brother wouldn't allow it as he didn't think women should be doctors.
Despite that, she had a lifelong interest in medicine, and for a laywoman she knew a good bit. After she and my grandfather moved to Baton Rouge in '41, she would do doctoring for black people. Not major stuff, but enough that she was well thought of in that community. There was a major lack of access to health care throughout the south for black people in that era.
Despite that, she had a lifelong interest in medicine, and for a laywoman she knew a good bit. After she and my grandfather moved to Baton Rouge in '41, she would do doctoring for black people. Not major stuff, but enough that she was well thought of in that community. There was a major lack of access to health care throughout the south for black people in that era.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 12:02 am to 337Tiger19
My grandfather went to an HBCU for undergrad. He wanted to earn his masters but neither SU nor grambling (the only two HBCUs in the state) had the program, so technically, this was a violation of his plessy rights. So, the state paid for him to earn his masters degree in another state to keep him from trying to get into LSU. This was pretty common practice and there are quite a number of blacks who will have undergrad degrees from SU or Grambling and advanced degrees from places like NYU (family friend) or Northwestern (THE northwestern-another family friend).
Also, my mother's father was born in 1902 in Mississippi. He lived to be 98 and had a clear mind right up until the end. He had some crazy stories; I remember when they were showing the commercials for Titanic. He said, "oh I remember that. That's when all those white folks drowned." I said, "papa, you don't renenber that!" Then I thought about it. That was a major story. He would have remembered it. I often wish he had lived to see the election of Presudent Obama; he wouldn't have believed it. I also have a bunch of family members from lake providence. They often talk about not being able to swim in the lake and picking cotton, pecans, etc. Many of them are very successful now and I ask them what motivated them being dirt poor in the midst of segregation. They simply say that they knew they didn't want to continue to live like that.
Also, my mother's father was born in 1902 in Mississippi. He lived to be 98 and had a clear mind right up until the end. He had some crazy stories; I remember when they were showing the commercials for Titanic. He said, "oh I remember that. That's when all those white folks drowned." I said, "papa, you don't renenber that!" Then I thought about it. That was a major story. He would have remembered it. I often wish he had lived to see the election of Presudent Obama; he wouldn't have believed it. I also have a bunch of family members from lake providence. They often talk about not being able to swim in the lake and picking cotton, pecans, etc. Many of them are very successful now and I ask them what motivated them being dirt poor in the midst of segregation. They simply say that they knew they didn't want to continue to live like that.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 1:09 am to LSUfanalways
My dad became a minister in East Ascension in the late 60s. At his first church a board member told him to immediately say the benediction and close the service if a black person ever came to church. He politely and tactfully said that he was not going to do that.
It was kind of funny because my dad was part of a controversy that erupted in a Methodist church in New Orleans, where we were from. A black family had asked to join the church and, even though the minister was cool with it a group within the church got upset and didn't approve. My dad (along with most other board members) was all for it and thought it was good. The racist naysayers in the church got so mad that some members quit and one of them started his own church somewhere. I saw a lot of this hypocrisy in people as the son of a preacher.
It was kind of funny because my dad was part of a controversy that erupted in a Methodist church in New Orleans, where we were from. A black family had asked to join the church and, even though the minister was cool with it a group within the church got upset and didn't approve. My dad (along with most other board members) was all for it and thought it was good. The racist naysayers in the church got so mad that some members quit and one of them started his own church somewhere. I saw a lot of this hypocrisy in people as the son of a preacher.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:50 am to StrongSafety
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Anyone that says blacks were "happier" then is asisine, ignorant and apart of the problem.
Were you there? .... I thought not. Go study your black theology and let the grownups talk.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:58 am to Redbone
Sounds like Phil Robertson talk. As long as blacks kept their mouths shut about the situation, they appeared to be happy as second class citizens. And whitey was OK with having advantages due to Jim Crow laws. Errybody was happy, and if anyone got uppity, they got knocked down quickly. Grownup talk.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:59 am to CCT
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At his first church a board member told him to immediately say the benediction and close the service if a black person ever came to church.
I am a member of a once all white church in the same area. I have no idea as to how it would have been handled in the past should a black family attend. In more recent years we had black families attend and were welcomed with open arms. Some have made it their home church and we have elected a black man to be a deacon.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:00 am to Mung
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Sounds like Phil Robertson talk. As long as blacks kept their mouths shut about the situation, they appeared to be happy as second class citizens. And whitey was OK with having advantages due to Jim Crow laws. Errybody was happy, and if anyone got uppity, they got knocked down quickly. Grownup talk.
Were you there? You have attacked me but have nothing of substance to add to this. Grownup talk to a grownup.
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