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re: Execution FINALLY set for Cop killer, Andrew Brannan--UPDATE Execution Complete!
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:39 am to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:39 am to Pilot Tiger
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But no one benefits from a hastily done execution
Of course not, and if there is any doubt, then I can understand some hesitation (to make sure it's right, like you said). But none of that takes years, let alone 17 of them. And that's common sense, with no emotion attached to it.
However, coming from someone whose family sat and watched a murderer of a pregnant woman and her 5 and 10 year old daughter sit and get fat on death row for 17 years when every piece of evidence (from the gun he used - his father's - to his own admission) proved that he murdered them in cold blood, it's bullshite.
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:40 am to Festus
that's being obtuse
Trials and sentencing are long and complicated processes.
I dont understand how so many so called small government people are so giddy and anxious to have the govt execute people
Trials and sentencing are long and complicated processes.
I dont understand how so many so called small government people are so giddy and anxious to have the govt execute people
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:43 am to Negative Nomad
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You mean executed? Yes
I mean murder. But we can play semantics if you want.
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This guy's wasn't innocent. Video made that cut and dry. On frick his PTSD I know a few guys who have it and they don't act like that.
You knock my "extensive knowledge and research" but claim to be an expert psychologist in the PTSD field?
And yes this guy was guilty, but getting the appeal process for death row inmates to kill him quicker affects the entire system. And thus could and likely would result in at least one innocent person being murdered by the US Government.
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Based on your extensive knowledge and research I guess.
Based on the fact that they knowingly and willingly kill other human beings.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:44 am to CocomoLSU
quote:it's not just about having doubt.
Of course not, and if there is any doubt, then I can understand some hesitation (to make sure it's right, like you said). But none of that takes years, let alone 17 of them. And that's common sense, with no emotion attached to it.
You have to review and re-review everything. Defendents DESERVE and are entitled to the appeal process.
It's about GETTING IT RIGHT.
I think yall are getting confused as in if there is doubt that he did it. It's not about that. If there was a piece of evidence used that was obtained illegally it could be deemed inadmissable and may result in a mistrial.
I'm not saying the guy isn't guilty and didn't deserve it. I'm saying we have the greatest justice system that ever existed and part of that is we don't treat every defendent or criminal like a piece of trash with no rights.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:44 am to Pilot Tiger
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that's being obtuse
I don't think I am at all.
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Trials and sentencing are long and complicated processes.
They are, and that's the problem. This isn't a whodunit case, with DNA, etc. It's a killing caught on camera. There is no doubt this guy murdered a police officer in cold blood. Why make something like this a long and complicated process? Just because it has to be? Horrible thought process IMO.
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I dont understand how so many so called small government people are so giddy and anxious to have the govt execute people
Talk about obtuse statement.
So now it's small government people "giddy" about executing? Because someone believes that in this case, the process took way too long, they are small government giddy people anxious to execute. Wow.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:45 am to Breesus
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Dude you're insane. Murdering people faster isn't going to bring back the victims or stop other murders.
Of course it doesn't bring anyone back. But I disagree that it couldn't potentially deter other murderers (even if only a small amount). Sitting in prison for 15+ years is much less of a deterrent than being executed in a matter of months (or a year or two tops).
But it's not about bringing people back, or even being a deterrent. It's about carrying out deserved sentences in a shorter time period that it takes a newborn baby to graduate high school.
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cheap pair of shoes, the cheapest dry cereal available and water. That's not expensive.
That's now how the country works, man. If it did, then I'd be all onboard with you. But that's not the reality...the reality is that it costs a lot of money to support prisoners. And while I agree with Pilot that it's a cost that I'm fine with on normal circumstances, prisoners on death row are a different story IMO. No need to waste recources on them for decades when it could be expedited and much more efficient.
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But expediting murder for murder's sake is not logical or necessary.
So your solution is to simply give them shoes and cereal and torture those people with random shock therapy for the rest of their lives.
And that's logical in your opinion. Got it.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:46 am to Pilot Tiger
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This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:47 am to Breesus
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I mean murder. But we can play semantics if you want.
Huh? Semantics? How about the definition. Explain to me how an execution is unlawful?
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mur·der
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noun
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
You literally are making up the definition of murder to fit your argument.
Are you an attorney by chance?
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:47 am to Festus
quote:it's not about this case. It's about all cases.
They are, and that's the problem. This isn't a whodunit case, with DNA, etc. It's a killing caught on camera. There is no doubt this guy murdered a police officer in cold blood. Why make something like this a long and complicated process? Just because it has to be?
You can't say, well THIS trial is cut and dry so we'll just skip over due process because he's so obviously guilty.
that's not how it works and it shouldn't work like that. EVERY defendent deserves due process
quote:dude have you ever read a thread on this board about a criminal doing something? So called small government christians say the most vile, disgusting things they wish upon them and the thought of a death row appeal makes their eyes roll
Talk about obtuse statement. So now it's small government people "giddy" about executing? Because someone believes that in this case, the process took way too long, they are small government giddy people anxious to execute. Wow.
It's pretty ridiculous
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:48 am to Pilot Tiger
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Trials and sentencing are long and complicated processes.
Agreed, and sometimes they have to be. Like I said, I'm right there with you in that if we do it, you have to make sure you get it right.
What I'm arguing is that once you do get it right, the process should be expedited from that point to conclusion. It's not about being giddy or anxious...it's about carrying out the penalty in a reasonable amount of time.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:50 am to CocomoLSU
quote:which, as i've stated, I'm not justifying the 17 years.
What I'm arguing is that once you do get it right, the process should be expedited from that point to conclusion. It's not about being giddy or anxious...it's about carrying out the penalty in a reasonable amount of time.
But I'm fine with executions NOT being carried out in a hasty manner
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:51 am to Pilot Tiger
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it's not just about having doubt.
You have to review and re-review everything. Defendents DESERVE and are entitled to the appeal process.
It's about GETTING IT RIGHT.
I think yall are getting confused as in if there is doubt that he did it. It's not about that. If there was a piece of evidence used that was obtained illegally it could be deemed inadmissable and may result in a mistrial.
I'm not saying the guy isn't guilty and didn't deserve it. I'm saying we have the greatest justice system that ever existed and part of that is we don't treat every defendent or criminal like a piece of trash with no rights.
Again, we don't disagree on that at all, although I do think they are allowed too many appeals (and I don't have a problem with them being allowed to appeal the decision/case).
My point is that none of that should take 17 years...and I know you said you don't think it should either, but it does and that's a problem IMO.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:52 am to Pilot Tiger
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it's not about this case. It's about all cases.
You can't say, well THIS trial is cut and dry so we'll just skip over due process because he's so obviously guilty.
that's not how it works and it shouldn't work like that. EVERY defendent deserves due process
Woah......skip over due process? Hold on now, I never said that at all. I stated I believe that he can get his due process in shorter than 17 years based on the murder being caught on video tape.
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dude have you ever read a thread on this board about a criminal doing something? So called small government christians say the most vile, disgusting things they wish upon them and the thought of a death row appeal makes their eyes roll
It's pretty ridiculous
Broad brush....and I have read and don't recall anyone ever referring to themselves as small government christians. Now, I've seen other posters label them this when they disagreed with their views...
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:56 am to Festus
quote:which i think is oversimplifying the entire trial.
I stated I believe that he can get his due process in shorter than 17 years based on the murder being caught on video tape.
There are thousands and thousands of other things to consider before executing someone and rightfully so
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:57 am to Pilot Tiger
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dude have you ever read a thread on this board about a criminal doing something? So called small government christians say the most vile, disgusting things they wish upon them and the thought of a death row appeal makes their eyes roll
It's pretty ridiculous
Perhaps you're in a dicussion with more intelligent people right now than the ones of which you're talking about.
ETA: BTW, have we ever disagreed on anything before? I don't ever recall debating with you on anything on the OT.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 10:00 am
Posted on 1/14/15 at 10:00 am to Breesus
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Expediting the death penalty because you want people murdered quicker, does not outweigh the loss of even one innocent life with an expedited death penalty
17 years buddy. Seventeen. As if they couldnt answer that one question in a few months. Seventeen years of our tax dollars kept this piece of shite alive.
Richard Ramirez, one of the most notorious serial killers of all time was convicted and sentenced in 1989 on 13 counts of murder and sexual assault. He was a monster. He died in his cell due to lymphoma on June 7, 2013, more than 23 years awaiting execution. We should be ashamed at how slow this process is.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/14/15 at 10:04 am to Pilot Tiger
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which i think is oversimplifying the entire trial.
Well, we disagree. I'm not saying it's the only thing to consider. I'm saying that it removes a major factor in executions, did they or did they not commit the offense. The guy admitted he did, and it was caught on camera. No question now as to whether or not they got the wrong guy.
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There are thousands and thousands of other things to consider before executing someone and rightfully so
I would like someone to list out the multiple thousand things to consider in this case. I think you might be overcomplicating the entire trial.
All good, man. We just disagree on some points, but agree that due process is in order.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 10:06 am to Charlie Arglist
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I think the deputy should have used lethal force the very second Brannan reached into the cab of his truck.
but then you have the guy this year who was killed getting his license off his seat.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 10:10 am to dnm3305
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We should be ashamed at how slow this process is.
Exactly, I agree.
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Richard Ramirez, one of the most notorious serial killers of all time was convicted and sentenced in 1989 on 13 counts of murder and sexual assault. He was a monster. He died in his cell due to lymphoma on June 7, 2013, more than 23 years awaiting execution.
That's fricking awful.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 10:24 am to chinhoyang
I say let them have their long appeal process....as long as the execution is by electric chair and TELEVISED!!!
The only way to really deter the potential criminal is to expose him to the horror of what awaits him if he chooses to continue that lifestyle of crime.
I'm pretty sure the average criminal didn't check his CNN webpage this morning to read about Andrew Brannan being injected with a dosage of meds that made him go night night.
The only way to really deter the potential criminal is to expose him to the horror of what awaits him if he chooses to continue that lifestyle of crime.
I'm pretty sure the average criminal didn't check his CNN webpage this morning to read about Andrew Brannan being injected with a dosage of meds that made him go night night.
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