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re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:56 am to member12
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:56 am to member12
I used to appraise property for right of way acquisitions and imminent domain. I have all sorts of stories and have met with squatters thinking they were the property owners on several occasions. I've seen living conditions you wouldn't believe.
I have one story that's actually pleasant that I'll share. I met a woman in rural Virginia at her house to do an on-site inspection for my report. She told me that she didn't care what the state paid her for the frontage they needed for their road because "all land really belongs to Jesus anyway." Big difference between that and being run off with a shotgun or attacked by dogs!
I have one story that's actually pleasant that I'll share. I met a woman in rural Virginia at her house to do an on-site inspection for my report. She told me that she didn't care what the state paid her for the frontage they needed for their road because "all land really belongs to Jesus anyway." Big difference between that and being run off with a shotgun or attacked by dogs!
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:57 am to Cooter Davenport
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I met a woman in rural Virginia at her house to do an on-site inspection for my report. She told me that she didn't care what the state paid her for the frontage they needed for their road because "all land really belongs to Jesus anyway." Big difference between that and being run off with a shotgun or attacked by dogs!
I'd hate to see that nice lady get less that she deserves for her property.....
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:59 am to Mottleduk
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The old fella marched up to my uncle and shot him off of the tractor. Shot him in the forehead.
That bastard had to be deranged.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:06 pm to Mottleduk
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My family had a land dispute with an individual that started some 16 years ago over about 4" worth of property. Basically he claimed that our fence was on his property even after we had the property surveyed several times to show that the fence was in fact on our property. The old bastard still wouldn't concede that we were on his property. We had suspected that he had gut shot a few of our cows, but could never pin it on him. After several years of near and actual scuffles with the guy it all came to a nasty head. My uncle was out setting cross ties for a new gate and it was more than the old bastard could take, seeing my uncle working on what he thought was his property. The old fella marched up to my uncle and shot him off of the tractor. Shot him in the forehead. He used a small caliber and luckily the bullet didn't penetrate the skull. The bullet traveled between the skull and scalp. Still, it knocked my uncle out and off of the tractor. The old man went back into his house and had a heart attack. He lived and was sentenced to prison where he died some years later. All over property the width of a fence post. My uncle hasn't been the same since.
my daddy warned me well about some of them crazy old country/redneck/cajun/coonass/name your type folk.....alot of them don't have much to lose, so if you piss em off, they shootin.....gotta be careful with those types
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:09 pm to Count Chocula
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:11 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
good idea, i like it
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:37 pm to Cooter Davenport
What about property taxes? How does that fit into situations in which someone learns they do not own as much land as they originally thought? I remember having to go to the assessor's office to try to find out information on land (or compare it to what we got from the clerk of court) and it was mind blowing how inefficient the office ran.
It was as if there was no type of system to determine what landowners had to pay in taxes. There were situations in which neighboring landowners, who owned the same amount of property, had a significant difference in the amount of property taxes they paid. There were times when I would go into the assessors office and while the person was helping me out, they realized there were big chunks of land in which the owners didn't pay any property tax. It might have improved, but it was pretty much ran on the "good ole boy" system. Anyway, I am just curious if property taxes come into play in any of these situations.
It was as if there was no type of system to determine what landowners had to pay in taxes. There were situations in which neighboring landowners, who owned the same amount of property, had a significant difference in the amount of property taxes they paid. There were times when I would go into the assessors office and while the person was helping me out, they realized there were big chunks of land in which the owners didn't pay any property tax. It might have improved, but it was pretty much ran on the "good ole boy" system. Anyway, I am just curious if property taxes come into play in any of these situations.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:39 pm to Ignignot
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:42 pm to Ignignot
ig - that happen near Monroe?
Reason I ask.....many years ago a patient came in with a bullet hole just in middle of forehead and an exit directly opposite on back on head. thought he would be dead shortly. come to find out - exactly as you described....stayed under scalp with penetrating skull
Reason I ask.....many years ago a patient came in with a bullet hole just in middle of forehead and an exit directly opposite on back on head. thought he would be dead shortly. come to find out - exactly as you described....stayed under scalp with penetrating skull
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:55 pm to member12
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I'd hate to see that nice lady get less that she deserves for her property.....
Our motto was always "be high and let it fly". Our appraisals were used by the acquiring entity to make an offer to purchase the land rather than condemn it. Only if the landowner refused to sell would the condemnation process begin and the acquisition wind up in court. Since the acquiring entity used our appraisals to base their initial purchase offer on, they preferred it be as high as reasonably possible so they could just buy it, which was easier, quicker, and ultimately cheaper for them, and we the appraisers preferred this as well, because we would make more completing appraisals in the office than we could on our hourly rate or per diem for being brought in to court to testify as to how we wound up at the number in our appraisal. So what actually happened in my experience is that people got more than they deserved, although of course it would be better for them if someone wasn't taking their land from them in the first place.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:58 pm to OweO
You can look up some serious precedent setting disputes in LA law within the past 50-100 years.
I think one in particular is still taught in LSU law about some oil land dispute in the Evangeline area.
I think one in particular is still taught in LSU law about some oil land dispute in the Evangeline area.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:05 pm to OweO
A case from the 70's Claitor's Realty vs Juban over a fence Juban had constructed in a parking lot cutting off Claitor's tenants access to the existing parking lot. Case went all the way to the Louisiana Supreme Court.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:37 pm to blueridgeTiger
One day when I have the time I am going to have to do a more in depth search on this. You can come across some interesting information. I remember looking at deeds of different properties while trying to find one for a specific property. On several occasions I came across land acquisitions that involved slaves as part of the payment.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:42 pm to OweO
yeah, read some of those. can't include them anymore tho.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:15 pm to jeffsdad
My neighbors are from Chalmette. Every damn day is a land dispute.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:26 pm to Bill Parker?
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My neighbors are from Chalmette. Every damn day is a land dispute.
Ever ended up in physical altercations?
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:48 pm to BigEdLSU
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I let a neighbor use about an acre of land that my driveway runs through but is close to his house. He cuts it and maintains it and throws parties on it. Am I setting myself up for failure? Or am I safe?
Real property cannont be adversely possessed (or whatever its called in LA) when the owner has given his or her permission for the other party to be there/use the land. You are safe
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:00 pm to OweO
Our law firm once foreclosed on a piece of property for a local bank. It was supposed to contain a newer ( maybe 5 years old) house, detached garage, and pool. So, the attorney handling the foreclosure simply used the description from the deed of trust-our firm had represented the bank in the closing as well. Bank foreclosed, family moved out, and the property was put up for sale. Buyers came in and were about to close when the whole process hit a snag. Turns out the bank had actually foreclosed on an empty lot next door! The builder had built the house, pool and garage on the WRONG LOT next door to the one on which the house was supposed to be built.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:04 pm to Royal
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Our law firm once foreclosed on a piece of property for a local bank. It was supposed to contain a newer ( maybe 5 years old) house, detached garage, and pool. So, the attorney handling the foreclosure simply used the description from the deed of trust-our firm had represented the bank in the closing as well. Bank foreclosed, family moved out, and the property was put up for sale. Buyers came in and were about to close when the whole process hit a snag. Turns out the bank had actually foreclosed on an empty lot next door! The builder had built the house, pool and garage on the WRONG LOT next door to the one on which the house was supposed to be built.
Seriously? So did the previous owners get to move back in? (i am sure they didn't, but that's one hell of a mistake).
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:06 pm to OweO
Read up on the land grants in Taos, New Mexico. I have some family out there, and have heard some off-hand accounts of what's going on.
10-cent recap: in the 1700's, the King of Spain gave land grants in current-day north New Mexico to prominent Spanish soldiers and elites. These land grants were supposed to last forever. Over the years, some of the soldiers/elite's ancestors have sold the land. Current-day ancestors who can trace their lineage back to the original grantees are claiming that the land still belongs to them, as the earlier ancestors had no legal basis to sell the land in the first place (King's decree lasting in perpetuity). In some cases, these grants have been subdivided into hundreds of individual properties - they want all of them.
I do not believe they have been successful in any of their claims.
10-cent recap: in the 1700's, the King of Spain gave land grants in current-day north New Mexico to prominent Spanish soldiers and elites. These land grants were supposed to last forever. Over the years, some of the soldiers/elite's ancestors have sold the land. Current-day ancestors who can trace their lineage back to the original grantees are claiming that the land still belongs to them, as the earlier ancestors had no legal basis to sell the land in the first place (King's decree lasting in perpetuity). In some cases, these grants have been subdivided into hundreds of individual properties - they want all of them.
I do not believe they have been successful in any of their claims.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 3:09 pm
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