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Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?
Posted by OweO on 5/24/16 at 9:50 am62
Long story short, I am trying to think of possible causes of disputes over land between neighbors or ajaring land owners.
When I worked for a local government while in college, I worked in the department that was responsible for handling these things. Most of the time it was over trees or fence issues. Sometimes it was hard to believe it was actually adults calling to complain about the things they would call about. During the Fall, there would be a handful of the same people who would call every year because their neighbor had a tree in which a limb is over their property and their yard is getting leafs from the tree.
One time there was a family dispute. This woman was building a house next to her sister. Evidently she was building to be closer to her sister, etc however she built her house higher than her sister's house so when it rained the water would drain in her sister's yard. I would hope they solved the issue by now, but at the time they had a knock down drag out over the situation and the sisters stopped talking to each other, etc.
In many cases it was just a matter of the land owners having to hire a surveyor. For some reason there were people who thought it was the parish's responsibility to pay for someone to go out and survey their land. Then there were those who, once told the only thing they could do was hire a surveyor, could not agree on splitting cost so that would cause a whole different issue, but anyway, has anyone had a "unique" situation that involved a property line dispute?
When I worked for a local government while in college, I worked in the department that was responsible for handling these things. Most of the time it was over trees or fence issues. Sometimes it was hard to believe it was actually adults calling to complain about the things they would call about. During the Fall, there would be a handful of the same people who would call every year because their neighbor had a tree in which a limb is over their property and their yard is getting leafs from the tree.
One time there was a family dispute. This woman was building a house next to her sister. Evidently she was building to be closer to her sister, etc however she built her house higher than her sister's house so when it rained the water would drain in her sister's yard. I would hope they solved the issue by now, but at the time they had a knock down drag out over the situation and the sisters stopped talking to each other, etc.
In many cases it was just a matter of the land owners having to hire a surveyor. For some reason there were people who thought it was the parish's responsibility to pay for someone to go out and survey their land. Then there were those who, once told the only thing they could do was hire a surveyor, could not agree on splitting cost so that would cause a whole different issue, but anyway, has anyone had a "unique" situation that involved a property line dispute?
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by idlewatcher on 5/24/16 at 9:54 am to OweO
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by Clyde Tipton on 5/24/16 at 9:56 am to OweO
A guy had a shitty fence and his bull kept getting into the neighbors pasture. The neighbor told him to fix his fence. Ol' boy tears it down and erects a new fence 3 feet over on to the neighbors property. Lawsuits, surveys, and bunch of money later the fence had to be torn down again and erected on the old line.
That guy with the bad fence and horny bull was a dick head. Sucks it cost the neighbor money to defend his rights.
That guy with the bad fence and horny bull was a dick head. Sucks it cost the neighbor money to defend his rights.
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by Jim Rockford on 5/24/16 at 9:57 am to OweO
There's one about a historic parking lot next to a church...
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by OweO on 5/24/16 at 9:58 am to Clyde Tipton
This might be irrelevant, but was the bull a threat to the neighbors?
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by terd ferguson on 5/24/16 at 9:58 am to OweO
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their yard is getting leafs from the tree
I'd be pissed too if I had a bunch of damned Canadians in my yard.
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by OweO on 5/24/16 at 9:59 am to terd ferguson
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by Barrister on 5/24/16 at 9:59 am to Jim Rockford
A New Orleans lawyer sought an FHA loan for a client. He was told the loan would be granted if he could prove satisfactory title to a parcel of property being offered as collateral. The title to the property dated back to 1803, which took the lawyer three months to track down. After sending the information to the FHA, he received the following reply:
Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan application, we note that the request is supported by an Abstract of Title. While we compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented the application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to the proposed collateral back to 1803. Before final approval can be accorded, it will be necessary to clear the title back to its origin.
The lawyer responded as follows:
Your letter regarding title in Case No. 189156 has been received. I note that you wish to have title extended further than the 194 years covered by the present application.
I was unaware that any educated person in this country, particularly those working with real property titles, would not know that Louisiana was purchased by the United States from France in 1803, the year of origin identified in our Abstract of Title. For your edification, I should explain that title to the land in question was acquired by the United States by purchase from France, which had acquired it by right of conquest from Spain. Title to the land had come to Spain by right of discovery made in the year 1492 by a sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege of seeking a new route to India by the then reigning monarch of Spain, Queen Isabella. The good queen, being a pious woman and careful about titles, had taken the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope before she sold her jewels to fund Columbus' expedition. The Pope is the emissary of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And God created Louisiana.
Now, may we have our damn loan?
Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan application, we note that the request is supported by an Abstract of Title. While we compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented the application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to the proposed collateral back to 1803. Before final approval can be accorded, it will be necessary to clear the title back to its origin.
The lawyer responded as follows:
Your letter regarding title in Case No. 189156 has been received. I note that you wish to have title extended further than the 194 years covered by the present application.
I was unaware that any educated person in this country, particularly those working with real property titles, would not know that Louisiana was purchased by the United States from France in 1803, the year of origin identified in our Abstract of Title. For your edification, I should explain that title to the land in question was acquired by the United States by purchase from France, which had acquired it by right of conquest from Spain. Title to the land had come to Spain by right of discovery made in the year 1492 by a sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege of seeking a new route to India by the then reigning monarch of Spain, Queen Isabella. The good queen, being a pious woman and careful about titles, had taken the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope before she sold her jewels to fund Columbus' expedition. The Pope is the emissary of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And God created Louisiana.
Now, may we have our damn loan?
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by SmoothOperator96 on 5/24/16 at 10:01 am to OweO
I was doing my moms friend a favor during the summer. And she asked me to dig from the back yard to the front yard and gave me a boundary that I couldn't cross, because the neighbor was a real asshat about it.
I stayed in the boundary and for about 3 hours, I was busting my arse digging. Well this short old guy comes out and starts hollering at me saying I'm digging on his property. Since it wasn't my house or anything, I chose to just tell him I'm doing what I was told and carried on with my business. Well he wasn't having it so he called the cops as I continued to work. By this time, the lady came out and started talking to him. He still wasn't having it. So the cops arrived and she went in and showed him exactly where the property line ended and that he actually built his fence on HER property at another point on the property, but she never said anything about it.
So after all of that trouble, he was the one that got in trouble and he was asked to remove his fence
I stayed in the boundary and for about 3 hours, I was busting my arse digging. Well this short old guy comes out and starts hollering at me saying I'm digging on his property. Since it wasn't my house or anything, I chose to just tell him I'm doing what I was told and carried on with my business. Well he wasn't having it so he called the cops as I continued to work. By this time, the lady came out and started talking to him. He still wasn't having it. So the cops arrived and she went in and showed him exactly where the property line ended and that he actually built his fence on HER property at another point on the property, but she never said anything about it.
So after all of that trouble, he was the one that got in trouble and he was asked to remove his fence
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by idlewatcher on 5/24/16 at 10:01 am to OweO
When my neighbor moved in next door, they wanted to put up a different style fence than what was already in place so the surveyor came out and my fence line was 2' on his property
Instead of him tearing up my beautiful fence, I cut a deal with him that he could use the side entrance to my house to get a backhoe in there for a new pool. So as it stands, he has a new pool and my fence is still 2' on his property.
Instead of him tearing up my beautiful fence, I cut a deal with him that he could use the side entrance to my house to get a backhoe in there for a new pool. So as it stands, he has a new pool and my fence is still 2' on his property.
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re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by Jim Rockford on 5/24/16 at 10:02 am to Barrister
I know someone who wrote off a trip to Europe as a business expense by going to the Spanish colonial archives in Seville and looking up a land grant on some property a client owned.
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by SmoothOperator96 on 5/24/16 at 10:05 am to OweO
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neighbor had a tree in which a limb is over their property and their yard is getting leafs from the tree.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
I don't know the size of the trees or anything. but if it was a big tree (like an oak tree) and we had a hurricane.. If a big limb of that tree broke off and damaged the house or a car, isn't the homeowner (not the one with the tree) responsible for their own repairs?? because it's not covered by insurance right?
Just don't build fences and plant trees right on the damn property line, like my dad does. No disputes, but I predict I will have to deal with the shite after he passes. Already got one neighbor that put a potted plant next to a tree, preventing me from cutting around the tree on his side. If it were me, I would let me cut it so it would look better, but he's staking his claim to 3 inches of land.
This post was edited on 5/24 at 10:08 am
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by OweO on 5/24/16 at 10:10 am to SmoothOperator96
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Correct me if I'm wrong...
I don't know the size of the trees or anything. but if it was a big tree (like an oak tree) and we had a hurricane.. If a big limb of that tree broke off and damaged the house or a car, isn't the homeowner (not the one with the tree) responsible for their own repairs?? because it's not covered by insurance right?
Correct. It doesn't matter that the tree is on the neighbor's land. If damage is done to your home or property, your insurance covers it, however; when you have two neighbors who have no idea of the law or anything.. It creates chaos.
Land disputes are some messy business. I used to survey as a summer job. We got called up to Waterproof for a property dispute. An old black lady came out with a crown bag full of quarters about to bust some heads because we were trying to take her land. We had to call the cops and have them stay until the survey was complete. Good times.
Previous owners of the house next to mine installed their own backyard fence and it angles towards my property just slightly. I don't go over there so it doesn't bother me.
Now that someone new lives there, he cuts his grass such that he "lines up" that fence line with where he cuts his grass in the front yard, so it ends up being about 2 feet onto my side the furthest away (by the street). That doesn't bother me... thanks for cutting my grass bro. But he probably thinks i'm cutting his grass when out of habit, I cut that little piece.
Now that someone new lives there, he cuts his grass such that he "lines up" that fence line with where he cuts his grass in the front yard, so it ends up being about 2 feet onto my side the furthest away (by the street). That doesn't bother me... thanks for cutting my grass bro. But he probably thinks i'm cutting his grass when out of habit, I cut that little piece.
One part of my neighbor's fence is about 5" on my property. I'm not exactly all bent out of shape over it.
Wish I had more interesting stories, but the weirdest one that I know of involves a guy that rented a ditch witch and ran a drain line clear across his neighbor's yard while no one was home. It got to be a problem a year or so later when said neighbor had to dig footings for a workshop.
I've also seen skirmishes in neighborhoods with septic systems where "downhill" homeowners get frustrated by the greywater from other houses flowing through the canal behind his property.
Wish I had more interesting stories, but the weirdest one that I know of involves a guy that rented a ditch witch and ran a drain line clear across his neighbor's yard while no one was home. It got to be a problem a year or so later when said neighbor had to dig footings for a workshop.
I've also seen skirmishes in neighborhoods with septic systems where "downhill" homeowners get frustrated by the greywater from other houses flowing through the canal behind his property.
This post was edited on 5/24 at 10:32 am
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Just don't build fences and plant trees right on the damn property line, like my dad does. No disputes, but I predict I will have to deal with the shite after he passes. Already got one neighbor that put a potted plant next to a tree, preventing me from cutting around the tree on his side. If it were me, I would let me cut it so it would look better, but he's staking his claim to 3 inches of land.
Thats another issue when it comes to "land disputes". Some people will not cooperate with their neighbors, even if it is in their best interest, just because they prefer being able to say "this is my land so this can't be done because I said so".
If people complained about property that was a "public hazard", we would have to go through a process that involved sending the landowner a letter giving them so many days to clean up. I wish I had the pictures of some of the places, but there were some areas in which someone actually lived there, but the whole property was fifty. To the point it was a habitat for rats, snakes, etc. If the person living there had to call an ambulance, cops, etc.. It was a safety hazard for anyone who would have to go on the property. There were people, who we sent letters to, who would come up to the office "raising hell" because its their property and they have a right to do whatever they want on it.
They thought the government was out to take away their rights by telling them what to do with their land.. My point is, there are those people who would rather let everything they have go to shite than have someone do something on their property,
re: Does Anyone Have Any Unique Stories About Land Disputes?Posted by colorchangintiger on 5/24/16 at 10:25 am to OweO
I can't remember the specifics, but I know a guy that bought land that was locked by water and some old money family owned land. The old money were trying to buy the parcel themselves, but were waiting out the owner to come down in price. From what I understand, Louisiana law dictates that you must provide a right of way in this situation. Well, the old money were pissed that the land was bought out from underneath them (in their minds) so they have tied up allowing the right of way in court going on 15 years now.
This post was edited on 5/24 at 12:12 pm
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