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re: Do you believe in free will?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:33 pm to goldenbadger08
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:33 pm to goldenbadger08
You may be sitting in class but you aren't discussing shite.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:33 pm to DosManos
Me posting in this thread proves there's free will.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:34 pm to DanTiger
You sound a lot like I did when I first came to the this website 7 years ago, when I was really into stuff like Daniel Dennett's books Consciousness Explained and Freedom Evolves. (I even strongly considered entering a PhD program in cog-sci out of undergrad.)
Ultimately, the monkey wrench that gets thrown into any theory negating free will is the utterly nonsensical nature of self-awareness. If everything serves no purpose and is already predetermined, then having awareness of it all makes no sense. There is no reason for awareness to evolve. There is no reason for it to be there at all. If you say that it's just an "accident," then that really doesn't explain the phenomenon either. If you think A.I. will eventually happen, I don't see why you would.
It's a much more difficult thing to account for than most determinists/compatibilists realize.
Ultimately, the monkey wrench that gets thrown into any theory negating free will is the utterly nonsensical nature of self-awareness. If everything serves no purpose and is already predetermined, then having awareness of it all makes no sense. There is no reason for awareness to evolve. There is no reason for it to be there at all. If you say that it's just an "accident," then that really doesn't explain the phenomenon either. If you think A.I. will eventually happen, I don't see why you would.
It's a much more difficult thing to account for than most determinists/compatibilists realize.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:34 pm to DosManos
All religious people should say no since the omniscience of their god implies we're on a set path
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:35 pm to Kafka
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:35 pm to Winkface
Discussing free will? We are .
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:37 pm to Carson123987
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All religious people should say no since the omniscience of their god implies we're on a set path
In addition to ones that believe we are nothing more than the sum of multiple chemical reactions.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:37 pm to Carson123987
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All religious people should say no since the omniscience of their god implies we're on a set path
That's completely different. I 100% believe that God knows everything I have done or will ever do in my life. That doesn't mean I, personally, don't have the freedom to choose my own actions.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:37 pm to DanTiger
I believe in a thing called love
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:37 pm to Carson123987
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:38 pm to DanTiger
I believe we consciously control much less than we think we do.
Essentially we are wired to react to things in certain ways. However, I think we can condition our behavior.
Essentially we are wired to react to things in certain ways. However, I think we can condition our behavior.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:38 pm to WG_Dawg
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That doesn't mean I, personally, don't have the freedom to choose my own actions.
He just wants to believe that he is the one actually deciding which hockey team he likes. Not God or anybody else!
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:39 pm to DanTiger
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I hahppen to believe that all of our actions are predetermined, in a sense, by our genetics and our environment.
Totally disagree. We make decisions daily that change our course.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:39 pm to WG_Dawg
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That's completely different. I 100% believe that God knows everything I have done or will ever do in my life. That doesn't mean I, personally, don't have the freedom to choose my own actions.
bro...
if he knows what you're gonna do, you dont have a choice. you have the illusion of choice, but him knowing what will happen implies there is a set sequence that you will follow
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:40 pm to dpd901
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:40 pm to DosManos
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He just wants to believe that he is the one actually deciding which hockey team he likes. Not God or anybody else!
God knows which team I'm going to pull for, I just haven't decided yet!
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:41 pm to Doc Fenton
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Ultimately, the monkey wrench that gets thrown into any theory negating free will is the utterly nonsensical nature of self-awareness. If everything serves no purpose and is already predetermined, then having awareness of it all makes no sense. There is no reason for awareness to evolve.
I believe awareness is just a side effect and not likely part of any grand design. I also believe that predestination is not part of some grand plan and is just an over simplified term I use to illustrate that our actions are not something we openly choose. Even the slightest manipulation of external factors results in a change of environment so there is no way to predict how people will react. We never encounter the same set of circumstances twice in a lifetime so, as I said earlier, there is really no way to prove this theory. I also believe that people are reluctant to even consider this as a possibility because it makes them feel very fragile and powerless.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:41 pm to Carson123987
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if he knows what you're gonna do, you dont have a choice. you have the illusion of choice, but him knowing what will happen implies there is a set sequence that you will follow
No. It implies that there was a path chosen by you that you have already followed, at least from the perspective of God, which is obviously outside of created time.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We make decisions daily that change our course.
This is true
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:42 pm to Winkface
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You may be sitting in class but you aren't discussing shite.
I believe very strongly in Free Will.A person chooses to do or not to do things everyday.Those choices usually lead to different outcomes.
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