re: Chicago Police Shooting Video Released

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You're a cop right? Why would everyone else their cover up and lie for this guy? Would you have done the same thing in a similar circumstance?

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Yes, I have no idea ?? Half of their precint was out there, why wasn't a supervisor making the call on what to do is beyond me. This was a pretty tame situation, surround him while taking position to close in on him. I don't know the wind condition but this was ripe for OC spray if tasers weren't available ? Once he's a little incapacitated you have an officer approach from the rear and knock him to the ground. Yes it may take a kick to the back but that's his problem if he doesn't comply prior to that action. It probably dislodges the knife and you take him into custody with a couple bruises/scratches and the 'wind knocked out of him', but no one dies and we all move on quickly to the next real call.

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I don't give a f*ck what you believe. I think the cop is in trouble and will probably be hit with manslaughter. I was just pointing out how your broad brushing of it's CLEARLY murder is incorrect.

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You're so obsessed with proving me wrong (you try it in thread after thread all the time) that you'll grasp at any absurd and far fetched straw. If you think a successful defense against a murder charge based on that video could be made on the grounds of the cop having his "adrenaline" up, then you've lost your damn mind.

And as a for a manslaughter charge, as I have said twice now, he passed any chance at getting off on manslaughter on about shot number four or five. But the time he got to shot number 16, he had virtually no hope of him making any argument that can counter a murder charge.

I've seen far worse and charges weren't filed.

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All of these cops are trained to kill once they begin firing shots. They thought he had a weapon and didn't want him to discharge it while he was on the ground. Its the same thing they teach when you get your concealed carry permit

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The way I was taught the concept was, "there nothing worth shooting someone for that isn't worth emptying your magazine."

The first thing I thought when I saw the video was, "take your hand out of your pocket, dumbass." I don't see a murder conviction coming on this one. But time will tell.

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Why don't the other cops get into trouble or even FIRED for lying about what happened?

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To me it's perjury, I have no idea why or what transpired according to reports. If I'm sixty fee behind and don't see what's going on because of position I write that in my report or to the DA investigator / Grand Jury, lying is not an option. I don't want to speculate on what was in the reports b/c the media has no idea unless they're all released. It's called professional standards, sometime these people have none, or very little. If it's proven they lied they should be fired.

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Some would say that's an absurd and far fetched straw. I'm not sure that I agree with them, though.

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Guess you know more about it than the DA and this cops own chief. Not to mention the cop we've got posting in this thread.

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Originating from research by Salt Lake City trainer Dennis Tueller and popularized by the Street Survival Seminar and the seminal instructional video "Surviving Edged Weapons," the "rule" states that in the time it takes the average officer to recognize a threat, draw his sidearm and fire 2 rounds at center mass, an average subject charging at the officer with a knife or other cutting or stabbing weapon can cover a distance of 21 feet.

The implication, therefore, is that when dealing with an edged-weapon wielder at anything less than 21 feet an officer had better have his gun out and ready to shoot before the offender starts rushing him or else he risks being set upon and injured or killed before he can draw his sidearm and effectively defeat the attack.

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So yeah -- if an officer can draw, ready, and fire 2 rounds at center mass in 1.5 seconds.. he can surely shoot 5-6 rounds from a ready position in 1 second

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Are you serious? Surround a wild man with a knife and close in on him. I would hate to be the supervisor to say, "okay men, close in". That is crazy. Better yet "Okay, Johnny. walk up and spray him".... You guys live in a fantasy world, watching too much tv and video games.

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You're funny, too many episode of Cops or games of Grand Theft Auto ? With that many people with a guy with a knife on a blocked off street are you serious ? I've been doing this nearly 20 years, yes we will have some non lethal level of force to try and diffuse the situation. I carry 3 different OC/CS sprays with stream and mist, not to mention a taser. If I worked for the Cut and Shoot PD I might jump out of my unit and fire but that wasn't the case. This was Chicago not Church Point. Are you actually saying this guy took the right approach and reacted accordingly ? If so I'll like to know which department you work for. It's a pretty easy take down with a LITTLE coordination, there were enough officers there to accomplish it.

The first 4 shots had a ok group but tge next 12 went to shite