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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs
Posted on 7/31/14 at 2:56 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 7/31/14 at 2:56 pm to Topwater Trout
Growth, manufacturing, packaging, distribution, sales, advertising...
Look at the beer/liquor industry.
ETA: I've answered this question from you multiple times already.
Look at the beer/liquor industry.
ETA: I've answered this question from you multiple times already.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 2:58 pm
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Posted on 7/31/14 at 2:58 pm to Topwater Trout
I think counseling and education will pick up some of the slack. Referral to counseling/drug education would replace jail and a criminal record.
I doubt you'll ever see "legal" drugs outside of pot and alcohol. Just decriminalized.
I imagine the govt. will get creative enough to find ways to spend the public money, create public sector jobs to replace depleted CJ jobs though. One thing we enjoy doing more than putting people away is spending public money.
I doubt you'll ever see "legal" drugs outside of pot and alcohol. Just decriminalized.
I imagine the govt. will get creative enough to find ways to spend the public money, create public sector jobs to replace depleted CJ jobs though. One thing we enjoy doing more than putting people away is spending public money.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:16 pm to ManBearTiger
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I've answered this question from you multiple times already.
i don't think you are right so quit saying it
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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One thing we enjoy doing more than putting people away is spending public money.
we agree on that.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:21 pm to Topwater Trout
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i don't think you are right so quit saying it
Well, those industries would certainly be created so you're just choosing to ignore answers to questions you keep posing.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:25 pm to ManBearTiger
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those industries would certainly be created so you're just choosing to ignore answers to questions you keep posing.
no I acknowledged those to be legitimate new jobs. I just don't think they will cover all of the ones I think will be lost. I don't think its as simple a solution as you think it is.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:36 pm to ManBearTiger
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My friend was facing prison time and had to deal with court dates for ~6 months
The longer a case goes for, the better the outcome, typically. That being said, when your life is virtually placed on pause, it can drive a man to do crazy things. Really sorry to hear this story.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:38 pm to Topwater Trout
When the US isn't involved in armed conflict with another nation is there a massive job displacement problem because soldiers and contractors can;t find work elsewhere?
It really is the same concept.
It really is the same concept.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:39 pm to Topwater Trout
Y'all just gonna argue amongst yourselves or does anyone want make comments on my proposals?
I would be ok with legalizing all drugs:
1. If there was an addendum to EMTALA excluding drug related illness that extended to protect medical facilities and providers from fiscally responsible refusals of care based on continued substance related (including alcohol and tobacco)medical non compliance.
2. If CPS cases involving child endangerment/abuse that involved drugs resulted in mandatory sterilization of the parent.
3. If all motor vehicle accidents involving a driver under the influence of a drug including alcohol resulted in permanent removal of drivers license and those resulting in death of another driver or passenger were mandatory capital punishment.
4. If enrollment and recertification for all healthcare funded by tax dollars was dependent upon a negative history of substance related diagnosis and negative blood and urine tests including screening for tobacco at the time of application and throughout enrollment unless actively enrolled in substance abuse rehab program
I would be ok with legalizing all drugs:
1. If there was an addendum to EMTALA excluding drug related illness that extended to protect medical facilities and providers from fiscally responsible refusals of care based on continued substance related (including alcohol and tobacco)medical non compliance.
2. If CPS cases involving child endangerment/abuse that involved drugs resulted in mandatory sterilization of the parent.
3. If all motor vehicle accidents involving a driver under the influence of a drug including alcohol resulted in permanent removal of drivers license and those resulting in death of another driver or passenger were mandatory capital punishment.
4. If enrollment and recertification for all healthcare funded by tax dollars was dependent upon a negative history of substance related diagnosis and negative blood and urine tests including screening for tobacco at the time of application and throughout enrollment unless actively enrolled in substance abuse rehab program
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:45 pm to Bleeding purple
I think all of those are a bit extreme you are on the right track but then pick the toughest punishment possible
you are on the right track but then pick the toughest punishment possible
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:47 pm to Topwater Trout
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I just don't think they will cover all of the ones I think will be lost. I don't think its as simple a solution as you think it is.
I think a society where fewer police officers and prison guards are needed is a better one.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:50 pm to Topwater Trout
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but then pick the toughest punishment possible
should we pick jail time? That is one of the things everyone wanting an end to the WOD wants to limit.
You see you just cant have it both ways.
Choosing to abuse your body forfeits your freedom to healthcare
Choosing to abuse your children forfeits your right to having children
Choosing to operate a vehicle under the influence of a substance forfeits your right to operate a vehicle
Choosing to take a life with your vehicle forfeits your life.
with no healthcare, no funding, decreased reproduction, and no transportation. I would predict those that are incapable of using substances in a responsible way would quickly be a disappearing breed.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:52 pm to Bleeding purple
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1. If there was an addendum to EMTALA excluding drug related illness that extended to protect medical facilities and providers from fiscally responsible refusals of care based on continued substance related (including alcohol and tobacco)medical non compliance.
maybe, if the patient failed to provide evidence that they were making a concentrated effort to fix their addiction problem- drug tests, therapy, etc (all of which would be paid for out of pocket)
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2. If CPS cases involving child endangerment/abuse that involved drugs resulted in mandatory sterilization of the parent.
fascist and unacceptable
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3. If all motor vehicle accidents involving a driver under the influence of a drug including alcohol resulted in permanent removal of drivers license and those resulting in death of another driver or passenger were mandatory capital punishment.
our dwi laws are fine as is, just expand them to include other drugs
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4. If enrollment and recertification for all healthcare funded by tax dollars was dependent upon a negative history of substance related diagnosis and negative blood and urine tests including screening for tobacco at the time of application and throughout enrollment unless actively enrolled in substance abuse rehab program
I'm fine with this, especially and only with the last caveat.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think a society where fewer police officers and prison guards are needed is a better one.
I agree with you on this also
Posted on 7/31/14 at 3:57 pm to Bleeding purple
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Choosing to abuse your body forfeits your freedom to healthcare
we already do this
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Choosing to abuse your children forfeits your right to having children
I am with you
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Choosing to operate a vehicle under the influence of a substance forfeits your right to operate a vehicle
disagree
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Choosing to take a life with your vehicle forfeits your life.
if they choose to i agree if its an accident i don't
Posted on 7/31/14 at 4:02 pm to Bleeding purple
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Choosing to abuse your body forfeits your freedom to healthcare
So, no one deserves healthcare?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 4:05 pm to junkfunky
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Choosing to abuse your body forfeits your freedom to healthcare
So, no one deserves healthcare?
Yep, don't play any competitive sports.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 4:10 pm to ManBearTiger
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if the patient failed to provide evidence that they were making a concentrated effort to fix their addiction problem
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refusals of care based on continued substance related (including alcohol and tobacco)medical non compliance.
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fascist and unacceptable
Go ahead and tell me how and while you are at it explain to me who pays for these kids with injuries now and due to longstanding issues later.
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our dwi laws are fine as is, just expand them to include other drugs
enforcement and punitive damages are far from sufficient and the laws already are extending to include all substances. That is why it is called a DWI or DUI not a DWD driving while drunk.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 4:13 pm to Topwater Trout
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we already do this
clearly you have a limited scope of our healthcare system quote:
if they choose to i agree if its an accident i don't
Getting behind the wheel of a vehicle while under the influence of a substance is a choice not an accident.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 4:14 pm to Bleeding purple
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Go ahead and tell me how and while you are at it explain to me who pays for these kids with injuries now and due to longstanding issues later.
If you don't understand how forced sterilization is unacceptable in a society built on the concept of liberty then you need to find a way to defect to North Korea.
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