re: Bruce Jenner interview

quote:

---

From what my wife told me, any regret from surgery is usually when the surgery is poorly done. Someone like Jenner has access to the best doctors and treatments - the same goes for cher's daughter now son Chaz Bono.

So yes, if you can give someone a high def top of the line TV, that's fine. It's just when people have to settle for rabbit ears and a black and white TV are things not good.

I would imagine the more surgeries that occur, the better it will get.

---

I don't know what your wife's profession is, but most psychologists and psychiatrists disagree with her. The vast majority of leading mental health professionals agree that this condition is a disorder, hence the term, gender identity disorder, and sex reassignment surgery & hormonal therapy are NOT favorable treatments for this disorder. These "treatments" do NOT identify, address, treat, or cure the underlying root cause of the disorder. The far more successful treatment for gender identity disorder, with long-term, much more favorable results, particularly when diagnosed & treated early on, is thorough, in-depth, intense psychological/psychiatric counseling with a well-qualified therapist experienced in treating this specific disorder.

LINK ... Psychology Today

quote:

---

Treatments
Individual and family counseling is recommended for children, and individual or couples therapy is recommended for adults. Sex reassignment through surgery and hormonal therapy is an option, but severe problems may persist after this form of treatment. A better outcome is associated with the early diagnosis and treatment of this disorder.

Sources
* Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
* National Institutes of Health - National Library of Medicine

---

quote:

---

I truly don't see a big difference bw a nose job or breast implant and transgender living. Science allows people to change who they are every day. This is just another variation.

---

These are, without a doubt, some of the most ludicrous statements I have ever read, which makes me hope you are trolling, but in the unfortunate case that you are not, I'll go ahead & respond. ...

No, "science" does NOT "allow people to change who they are." Getting a nose or a boob job, or even changing a penis into a vagina & vice versa does not change a person's basic personality, emotions, mental state, beliefs, demeanor, character, etc. Altering one's physical appearance, IN NO WAY, changes his/her overall basic psyche - a human's soul, mind, & spirit; what makes an individual individual. This way of thinking is precisely the problem with sex reassignment surgery as a treatment for gender identity disorder. It does NOT treat the underlying issues causing the disorder. It puts an awfully big band-aid over the real problem(s). ...

And if you truly believe your inane statements, I'll know to disregard any of your & your "wife's" opinions as nonsensical bullshite. If you're trolling, I'll do the same, and GFY.

quote:

---

How can Bruce Jenner call himself/herself a Christian?

---

He believes Jesus is the Son of God, died for his sins, and was resurrected. That's the basic definition of a Christian.

Having a mental disorder where he feels he's trapped in the wrong body doesn't make Jenner a non-Christian.

quote:

---

I truly don't see a big difference bw a nose job or breast implant and transgender living. Science allows people to change who they are every day. This is just another variation.

---

More power to you, but i definitely see a difference and don't associate them together in the least bit

A nose job, breast implants, etc. is not changing your sexual orientation. It's simply enhancing you current orientation. That's a pretty big difference IMO

quote:

---

Actually, when you call people names like freak and queer, you are trying to be hateful. But you have every right to be a hateful person.

---

Well, your assuming they are trying to be hateful. I don't think what Bruce is doing is "normal" in any way but I could care less what he does and don't hate him for it at all. I just think it's weird. What's wrong with that

quote:

---

It seems people have forgot the meaning of the word "normal". And to say someone isn't normal doesn't mean you hate that person or wish harm to them. I don't care which way someone tries to spin it, what Bruce Jenner is doing is not normal by any stretch of the imagination

---

Even worse, what he is doing by boldly proclaiming how he is going to "change the world" by coming forward & broadcasting his issues, implying that sex reassignment surgery & hormonal therapy are a quick fix for gender identity disorder, is potentially harmful to people with the disorder, and is definitely irresponsible, but for a narcissist such as himself, others' welfare isn't a high priority.

In today's society of copycats, people will be rushing to self diagnose an extremely rare disorder because Mary Beth prefers to wear guys' Levi's, or diagnose their children the first time little Billy wants to put a dress on a doll. Then there are always the followers who can't seem to "find themselves," so they cover their bodies in tattoos & pierce every location on their bodies they can possibly think of, proclaiming their "individuality" the entire time, who will seek to have sex reassignment surgery because they see it as another way to mutilate themselves to become more "unique." And as with all things, most anything & anyone can be bought for the right price, unfortunately, so surgeons will become more plentiful while the regulations, diagnoses, & pre-requisites for these operations will become much less stringent.

Had Jenner honestly wanted to be helpful, he would have stressed that people who suspect they might have this disorder, or know someone who might, seek professional therapy. He never suggested that during his interview, but jumped directly to hormonal therapy & surgery, and basically stated that he was helping the world by telling people it's okay to take these extremely drastic measures as treatment for a very rare disorder because Bruce is doing it.

Gender identity disorder is not normal; it is highly abnormal and extremely rare. That is not "bashing;" it is a fact. For anyone to use his celebrity to try to spin it otherwise, and to present his own slanted opinion about something this serious as absolute truth for self-serving purposes is doing a disservice & possible harm to people who might have similar issues. During the entire interview, I don't remember psychology or psychiatry being mentioned as a possible treatment, and if it was, it was barely touched on. Then again, narcissists generally do not look favorably upon therapy since they don't believe they have flaws or are fallible; therefore have nothing to work on regarding themselves, and damn sure will never admit it out loud. I also don't recall the word "disorder" being used by Bruce in the interview, but that isn't exactly shocking since he, evidently, isn't "wrong" - ever; he was just born in the "wrong" body. I guess it's God's fault; He was wrong, and Bruce is now correcting Him.

For mere mortals, unlike Bruce, intensive therapy is the best treatment for this disorder, and has the most successful long-term results because it addresses the underlying issues which might be the cause of it. Although the exact cause of gender identity disorder is unknown, therapy helps to pinpoint possible reasons for it, which vary with each individual's case. For optimum results, finding the underlying cause through psychotherapy, as opposed to sex reassignment surgery, should be the goal in treating this disorder.

LINK

quote:

---

Causes
The feeling of being in the body of the "wrong" gender must persist for at least two years for this diagnosis to be made. The cause is unknown, but hormonal influences in the womb, genetics and environmental factors (such as parenting) are suspected to be involved. The disorder may occur in children or adults, and is rare.

---

quote:

---

How can Bruce Jenner call himself/herself a Christian?

---

Considering only one super absurd Old Testament reading even talks about the subject and is then overruled by the New Testament , this decision of his has absolutely no bearing on his faith

quote:

---

Arkla Missy

---

You feel WAY too strongly about this otherwise obscure topic. Either you have some very personal experience with this, or somehow, a member of the psychiatric association butters your bread.

If he or anyone else wants to look like a fool and put a dress on, as long as it doesn't affect my personal safety, my income or my tax bracket, who gives a frick?

Democrats? Haha. Have you seen the crazy in the GOP lately? LOL

quote:

---

Uncle Stu

---

quote:

---

You feel WAY too strongly about this otherwise obscure topic.

---

Why? Because I've made some reasonable posts on this "obscure topic" instead of the ever popular smartass quips or the tired, don't give a shite, over used, unoriginal response, "as long as it doesn't affect my personal safety, my income or my tax bracket, who gives a frick?"... Evidently, you feel WAY too strongly about my posts.

quote:

---

Either you have some very personal experience with this, or somehow, a member of the psychiatric association butters your bread.

---

Nah. Unfortunately, it's nothing that exciting - I posted 5 or 6 times in a thread on a topic I know a bit about on breaks from cleaning my house over the course of a long, shitty, stormy, boring day; I minored in psychology, one of my good friends from hs is a psychologist, another a psychiatrist; the oil business & myself butter my bread. ... Your personal interest is weird.

quote:

---

If he or anyone else wants to look like a fool and put a dress on, as long as it doesn't affect my personal safety, my income or my tax bracket, who gives a frick?

---

Yet you give a frick about my posts. Again, weird. ... I guess I'd suggest not reading them since they seem to upset you.