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Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:12 pm to ClientNumber9
At least the Boulder tax allegedly goes towards health related initiatives and was voted on.
The Chicago tax just goes into the pile with the rest.
So, let's say the Chicago tax is "successful" and people dramatically reduce consumption. Does the city council say "yeah, job well done, people are healthier"?
Hell no. They've got a big problem. That revenue is baked in the budget. Time to tax something else. Total BS.
The Chicago tax just goes into the pile with the rest.
So, let's say the Chicago tax is "successful" and people dramatically reduce consumption. Does the city council say "yeah, job well done, people are healthier"?
Hell no. They've got a big problem. That revenue is baked in the budget. Time to tax something else. Total BS.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:16 pm to ClientNumber9
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See, that's the bullshite part. Ok, sugar is bad and must be taxed. But a sugar-free diet soda gets taxed while a 20 ounce mocha frappachino with 85g of sugar doesn't. How frick dumb are these city councils?
What I posted was just how it's working in Chicago, simply to show that the whole bullshite line they trot out about "health" has nothing whatsoever to do with it. It's a money grab.
Just like the $.07 per bag tax, which is in place at grocery stores. That was about saving the environment, according to them. But now they're in trouble because not enough people are "buying" the bags at the grocery store and they're facing a budget shortfall because they spent money that was not yet in. They should be celebrating the fact if that was really the impetus for it (but as with everything, it's not).
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:18 pm to HippieTiger
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Recently went into effect on July 1st
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The revenue raised is earmarked to be spent on community health programs geared toward low-income populations that see a disparate effect of chronic conditions like heart disease, diabetes and obesity.
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To Burness, who reports on the health-conscious, highly-educated, high-income community of 105,000 people, the measure’s passage was not a surprise. “If you are trying to start a movement to regulate or tax sugar, Boulder is about as good a place as any on Earth to start,” he says.
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A study of Berkeley’s tax showed a 20 percent drop in consumption of sugary drinks after the city’s tax started. It’s unclear how Boulder’s tax will impact behavior.The Daily Camera’s Alex Burness says they’re still in an experimental phase.
The distributors are the ones taxed, but the price increase carries over to consumers. Would it slow you down at all?
Chicago passed something like this recently, and from other cities that have put in place something similar, it goes like this:
- Purchases within the city go down quite a bit (10 - 20%)
- Actual consumption is harder to measure, as purchases -
especially bulk purchases - in nearby, untaxed towns generally pop pretty high shortly thereafter
- It is very regressive
- It doesn't bring nearly as much revenue as generally predicted
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:21 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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- It doesn't bring nearly as much revenue as generally predicted
In chicago, the tax doesn't apply to food stamp purchases.
So we're going to not only allow food stamps to buy this supposed poison, but the people who are the least healthy and buying said poison with public tax dollars, don't pay the tax at all.
Makes perfect sense.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:22 pm to HippieTiger
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Would it slow you down at all?
I don't drink coke.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:25 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Just like the $.07 per bag tax, which is in place at grocery stores. That was about saving the environment, according to them. But now they're in trouble because not enough people are "buying" the bags at the grocery store and they're facing a budget shortfall because they spent money that was not yet in. They should be celebrating the fact if that was really the impetus for it (but as with everything, it's not).
fricking A, they are.
I am on a one man jihad to avoid buying bags wherever and whenever possible. I am not going to give one more red cent than I have to to those corrupt motherfrickers, especially after that income tax hike. frick those people.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:28 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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I am on a one man jihad to avoid buying bags wherever and whenever possible. I am not going to give one more red cent than I have to to those corrupt motherfrickers, especially after that income tax hike. frick those people.
Bingo
My million dollar business idea is to buy a bunch of grocery bags bulk, and then set up shop outside of jewel selling them for $.05...out of a duffel bag, like the guys selling knock off t-shirts at concerts.
Undercut those m-effers on the city council.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:29 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Just like the $.07 per bag tax, which is in place at grocery stores. That was about saving the environment, according to them. But now they're in trouble because not enough people are "buying" the bags at the grocery store and they're facing a budget shortfall because they spent money that was not yet in. They should be celebrating the fact if that was really the impetus for it (but as with everything, it's not).
It still irritates me but at least my city just banned the bags altogether rather than try to drum up revenue under the guise of environmentalism.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:31 pm to northshorebamaman
doesn't taxing something to get people to stop using it seem counterproductive?
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:32 pm to HippieTiger
the people have spoken
this is great for Trumps America
this is great for Trumps America
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:56 pm to HippieTiger
Idiot
Posted on 8/1/17 at 4:02 pm to northshorebamaman
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It still irritates me but at least my city just banned the bags altogether rather than try to drum up revenue under the guise of environmentalism.
Chicago tried doing that too, but said the bags had to be reusable initially...so what that meant was that just as many bags got produced and distributed, it's just that each bag was thicker and therefore used more plastic.
So when that level of genius was shown to be beyond moronic and just made the problem worse, they had the brilliant idea to tax them at $.07 per bag. And now things just get worse because people adjusted and they are millions short of their assumed revenue goals.
And yes, this is the shite that they focus their time on...while the city and state inch closer and closer to the fiscal cliff. We went years without an official budget, pensions are underfunded by hundreds of millions of dollars, murders continue to climb, but goddamit, we're going to one day figure out how to manage that scourge that is grocery bags.
It'd actually be funny if it wasn't so infuriating.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 8/1/17 at 4:08 pm to jdeval1
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So what about alcohol?
And all fast food? Any dessert foods? How about a well marbled ribeye?
It's a slippery slope.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 4:10 pm to HippieTiger
Why do liberals hate freedom and love coercion?
Posted on 8/1/17 at 4:12 pm to Hangit
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And all fast food? Any dessert foods? How about a well marbled ribeye?
Oh, it's coming. Back when cigs really started getting hit hard with taxes people used to say "what's next, a tax on sugar?", and all the supporters would say that was ridiculous.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 4:47 pm to colorchangintiger
Posted on 8/1/17 at 4:50 pm to Bruco
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Wait, so did people think the distributors and/or retailers were going to absorb the tax and just sell the products at the same price, which could often be at a loss?
yeah
Posted on 8/1/17 at 4:58 pm to HippieTiger
I drink my bourbon straight a lot, but sometimes I like a mixer too.. Cocktails going up too, I guess? Freaking libtards.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 7:05 pm to HippieTiger
These taxes are a joke.
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