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re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:29 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:29 pm to Darth_Vader
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You're a typical Anerican idiot. You're not concerned with the fact the constitution of the U.S. Is being shite on all because the ones being victimized are people you don't like. What you're too blind to see though is if this can happen to them, then it can happen to anyone, including you. Wake the frick up.
Don't know any of the arrested to know if I like them or not. What they are, though, are idiots who decided it was cool to hang out with a criminal group, so my sympathy levels go down for them. As for the Constitution, the only I'm not doing is jumping to conclusions on what facts LE might have instead of taking some guys word for it (or his family's word) that he's a good, law abiding guy. The fact he'd choose to hang out with a group like the Bandido's in the first place makes me question his credibility though.
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Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:34 pm to reedus23
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Don't know any of the arrested to know if I like them or not. What they are, though, are idiots who decided it was cool to hang out with a criminal group, so my sympathy levels go down for them. As for the Constitution, the only I'm not doing is jumping to conclusions on what facts LE might have instead of taking some guys word for it (or his family's word) that he's a good, law abiding guy. The fact he'd choose to hang out with a group like the Bandido's in the first place makes me question his credibility though.
at this point you have their info, everyone is well documented. at the very least even if you arent dropping the charges what is the downside to letting all the guys not caught with firearms out with a reasonable bail as a minimal step towards justice?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:34 pm to Darth_Vader
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Opening Prayer (a pastor of a church from Austin would have prayed).
LORD we ask you to bless the guns and drugs. May our bullets fly straighter and these drugs get us higher. AND THE CONGREGATION SAID AMEN!
Posted on 6/1/15 at 2:39 pm to reedus23
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Don't know any of the arrested to know if I like them or not. What they are, though, are idiots who decided it was cool to hang out with a criminal group, so my sympathy levels go down for them. As for the Constitution, the only I'm not doing is jumping to conclusions on what facts LE might have instead of taking some guys word for it (or his family's word) that he's a good, law abiding guy. The fact he'd choose to hang out with a group like the Bandido's in the first place makes me question his credibility though.
Nobody is "hanging out" with Baditos at a COC meeting. It's a meeting open to all riders and it's not to just "hang out". You cannot anymore stop the Banditos or anyone else from attending a COC meeting than you could a neighborhood meeting where you've got some neighbors you don't approve of.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 7:33 pm to NoSaint
quote:This will not happen without feds getting involved.
what is the downside to letting all the guys not caught with firearms out with a reasonable bail
Posted on 6/2/15 at 9:54 am to Armymann50
At this point, I think it's about time to prioritize the 170 caught up in this mess, reduce bonds according to their violations and set some people free. Not ALL, but 2 weeks is enough for those who neither instigated this mess or were involved in the melee. And weren't carrying weapons.
Let's see some progress in putting an end to this mess, and bring back peace in our communities.
Let's see some progress in putting an end to this mess, and bring back peace in our communities.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:05 am to BigSECfan
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At this point, I think it's about time to prioritize the 170 caught up in this mess, reduce bonds according to their violations and set some people free. Not ALL, but 2 weeks is enough for those who neither instigated this mess or were involved in the melee. And weren't carrying weapons.
Let's see some progress in putting an end to this mess, and bring back peace in our communities.
24 hours was time enough for the majority of the people they locked up.
Imagine the media frenzy if instead of bikers this was African Americans involved in this. Think abut it. Let's say there was some sort of meeting of a black community or civil rights organization. And attending this meeting was a mix of regular, law abiding folks and there was also members of the Crips & Bloods. The police have the place surrounded by SWAT to "monitor" and "keep the peace". A fight breaks out between a group of the Crips & Bloods in the parking lot and the cops open fire. And then after the shooting dies down, the cops arrest every black person in the place, no matter if they're wearing anything red or blue. Thy even arrest any black person arriving after everything is over. Then two weeks later all the people they rounded up are still in jail with crazy high bonds on their heads that nobody can afford. But wait, the cops are now saying they'll lower the bonds but only if everyone signs a sheet saying they won't sue the every loving shite out of the city of Waco. Can you imagine the reaction from the media, civil rights organizations, The Justice Dept., all the way up to the President himself?
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:11 am to NoSaint
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at this point you have their info, everyone is well documented. at the very least even if you arent dropping the charges what is the downside to letting all the guys not caught with firearms out with a reasonable bail as a minimal step towards justice?
I really don't know. I know what some family members have said about maybe 3 or 4 of them, but not anywhere close to the other 160+. I couldn't even tell ya how many have actually filed a motion for bond reduction. Do we even know that?
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:15 am to Darth_Vader
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Nobody is "hanging out" with Baditos at a COC meeting. It's a meeting open to all riders and it's not to just "hang out". You cannot anymore stop the Banditos or anyone else from attending a COC meeting than you could a neighborhood meeting where you've got some neighbors you don't approve of.
Whatever you want to call it then. Associating with? Drinking beer with? And while no, you can't keep them out of a public establishment (though Twin Peaks could have), you can choose to hold meetings in such a manner that they're not allowed, like at a private establishment.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:16 am to Darth_Vader
that's a nice fantasy, but bruthas are not allowed by PoPo to walk around in public with guns. That's only preppers and 2A nutz, all white.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:19 am to Darth_Vader
Doesn't make it right. I personally loath what is happening in Merica. Did you know? 38 murders happened in Baltimore in the month of May? I am not only following the Waco story but keep close tabs on the violence that takes place all across America. I personally think this country is not that much different than some of these third world countries with their own killing of each other and terrorism. But, it's not the police, or the bikers, or any people Of any race or group, it's that Murican in the mirror that can affect change. I have zero agenda since I am not involved in any groups, gangs, clubs etc.
I think Waco handled this the best they could with the number of personnel to maintain peace.
But, at this point enough is enough. The shooters need hard time. But, the hang arounds should be prioritized and bonds should be reduced based on the crimes they perpetrated. 2 weeks is enough time to go over vid to determine who did what. 1 day is stupid. There were 170 peeps arrested. 1 day was not nearly enough time for the personnel to make these assessments and I feel 2 weeks gives those hang arounds a little extravtime to consider what choices they made/might make in the future. They are far from innocent in my opinion.
I think Waco handled this the best they could with the number of personnel to maintain peace.
But, at this point enough is enough. The shooters need hard time. But, the hang arounds should be prioritized and bonds should be reduced based on the crimes they perpetrated. 2 weeks is enough time to go over vid to determine who did what. 1 day is stupid. There were 170 peeps arrested. 1 day was not nearly enough time for the personnel to make these assessments and I feel 2 weeks gives those hang arounds a little extravtime to consider what choices they made/might make in the future. They are far from innocent in my opinion.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:19 am to Mung
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that's a nice fantasy, but bruthas are not allowed by PoPo to walk around in public with guns. That's only preppers and 2A nutz, all white
Good point. That's why you never hear of shootings happening in any urban areas.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:21 am to BigSECfan
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Doesn't make it right. I personally loath what is happening in Merica. Did you know? 38 murders happened in Baltimore in the month of May? I am not only following the Waco story but keep close tabs on the violence that takes place all across America. I personally think this country is not that much different than some of these third world countries with their own killing of each other and terrorism. But, it's not the police, or the bikers, or any people Of any race or group, it's that Murican in the mirror that can affect change. I have zero agenda since I am not involved in any groups, gangs, clubs etc.
I think Waco handled this the best they could with the number of personnel to maintain peace.
But, at this point enough is enough. The shooters need hard time. But, the hang arounds should be prioritized and bonds should be reduced based on the crimes they perpetrated. 2 weeks is enough time to go over vid to determine who did what. 1 day is stupid. There were 170 peeps arrested. 1 day was not nearly enough time for the personnel to make these assessments and I feel 2 weeks gives those hang arounds a little extravtime to consider what choices they made/might make in the future. They are far from innocent in my opinion.
What are they guilty of doing? And what evidence have you seen that backs up your accusation?
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:35 am to Darth_Vader
What accusations? That this whole entire situation is silly and childish. Except peeps were killed with adult guns? That the police were there because past events led them to believe that the meeting or whatever could get out of hand? Waco PD made a good call on that one didn't they and were there to secure safety for civilians. Also that the restaurant was warned? So. You just calling this like an afternoon at Denny's? Remember the dude that finished dinner at the Mexican place next door and had to hide his family behind a vehicle to avoid stray bullets?
Come on man. Those seriously involved in this childish mess should seriously be embarrassed. This is one of the most stupid public events I've ever seen. Tragic that peeps died and were injured. Those who were spared should feel fortunate and be thankful. I thin Waco PD handled it well enough.
Don't worry. This is Merica. Lawsuits will be flying all over the place and no doubt our judicial system will reward some even they don't deserve anything. That's just Merica folks. Set the bar low for us. And our behaviors.
Come on man. Those seriously involved in this childish mess should seriously be embarrassed. This is one of the most stupid public events I've ever seen. Tragic that peeps died and were injured. Those who were spared should feel fortunate and be thankful. I thin Waco PD handled it well enough.
Don't worry. This is Merica. Lawsuits will be flying all over the place and no doubt our judicial system will reward some even they don't deserve anything. That's just Merica folks. Set the bar low for us. And our behaviors.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:46 am to Corch Urban Myers
Great media link to follow the Waco shooting.
LINK
And apparently, some of those with lawyers or public defenders are managing to be heard and get bonds reduced.
LINK
And apparently, some of those with lawyers or public defenders are managing to be heard and get bonds reduced.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:53 am to BigSECfan
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That this whole entire situation is silly and childish. Except peeps were killed with adult guns?
Do you think all 170 people in jail killed those 9 bikers? Even the AP is reporting that video shows everyone in Twin Peaks, including the bikers, did nothing other than take cover and help others take cover when the firing started.
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That the police were there because past events led them to believe that the meeting or whatever could get out of hand?
COC meetings take place in every state in the union virtually every month. I've attended numerous COC meetings in Alabama for a long time. Never once has these ever been reports of anything ever happening at any COC meeting before this.
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Waco PD made a good call on that one didn't they and were there to secure safety for civilians.
By rounding up anyone in a Harley Davidson tee-shirt, irregardless if they had anything to do with whatever happened?
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Also that the restaurant was warned?
The owners of the restaurant say that's a lie.
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So. You just calling this like an afternoon at Denny's? Remember the dude that finished dinner at the Mexican place next door and had to hide his family behind a vehicle to avoid stray bullets?
Where were those bullets coming from? Every crime scene photo I've seen shows dozens of evidence cones marking spent brass laying around where the cops were stationed. Looks like it's the cops who did most, maybe even all of the shooting. Especially considering most of the guys killed were unarmed bikers.
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Come on man. Those seriously involved in this childish mess should seriously be embarrassed. This is one of the most stupid public events I've ever seen. Tragic that peeps died and were injured.
Anyone guilty of this should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I've said that more than once in this long thread. I have no doubt some sort of fight or something probably broke out among the few handful of bikers in the parking lot. What that was, we don't know because for some reason the Waco PD refuses to let the public see any video of what actually happened. But to just wholesale round up anyone who looks like a biker in the area? That's bullshite and you know it.
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Those who were spared should feel fortunate and be thankful. I thin Waco PD handled it well enough.
Spared? There's 170 people who've had their private property seized, probably going to be sold out form under them. And that's on top of sitting in jail for 2 weeks while their life is ruined.
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Don't worry. This is Merica. Lawsuits will be flying all over the place and no doubt our judicial system will reward some even they don't deserve anything. That's just Merica folks. Set the bar low for us. And our behaviors.
You sound like you're perfectly happy living in a police state and giving up all the liberties guaranteed to us by the constitution. frick Habeas Corpus, frick the 1st Amendment, frick the 4th Amendment, frick the 6th Amendment, and frick the 8th amendment while we're at it.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:55 am to BigSECfan
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And apparently, some of those with lawyers or public defenders are managing to be heard and get bonds reduced.
Only if they agree to sign a bullshite piece of paper stating they waive the right to sue the City of Waco for what they've been put through. Guess that doesn't reek of horseshite to you either. Guess they're "lucky" they're being "spared", right?
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:56 am to Darth_Vader
all the criminals still playing house in the pokey?
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:05 am to roadGator
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all the criminals still playing house in the pokey?
Weak as hell troll
But seriously, if you really believe everyone they rounded up is a "criminal", you're a mouth breathing idiot. I don't think you're that stupid, but I could be wrong.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:08 am to Darth_Vader
I didn't ask if the innocent folks were still locked up. I can't believe they are still being made to pay the stupid tax if they are still in jail though. They've paid for their very poor decisions to mingle with criminals openly.
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