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re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX

Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:21 pm to
Posted by reedus23
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:21 pm to
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Quite honestly where is the American Bar Association, the Texas Bar Association, etc. because what is taking place with a majority of these people is downright unconscionable with respect to the legal system and citizens rights. The D.As & Waco PD are making a mockery out of the US legal system with what they are doing with these people.



What is unconscionable? I imagine they'll start reducing bonds and/or dismissing charges if there's nothing to support them. If they're not dropped, my guess is it is because the DA has had a chance to review whatever evidence and feels there is enough to prosecute that particular person.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:26 pm to
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I hope this chickenshit, lowlife, lying sack of shite, pig is left without a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out.



Thought you said you weren't going to judge anyone since you didn't know the facts yet?
Posted by Hangit
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:29 pm to
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Crying about budget shortfalls. Complaining that it costs about $8k a day to house them all.

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reedus23


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If they're not dropped, my guess is it is because the DA has had a chance to review whatever evidence and feels there is enough to prosecute that particular person.


So you think they are going to start looking at it on an individual basis now? How novel.

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:33 pm to
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Thought you said you weren't going to judge anyone since you didn't know the facts yet?



I'm pissed about all the innocent people they've had locked up for almost 2 fricking weeks.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:37 pm to
So the process is working itself out.
Posted by reedus23
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:37 pm to
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So you think they are going to start looking at it on an individual basis now? How novel.



Of course they will. They will get their day in court.
Posted by reedus23
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:38 pm to
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I'm pissed about all the innocent people they've had locked up for almost 2 fricking weeks.



I would like to know how you know that they have locked up any innocent people? Unless you are prejudging the facts.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:52 pm to
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I would like to know how you know that they have locked up any innocent people? Unless you are prejudging the facts.


Have you even read any of the updates?
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Authorities on Sunday swept up around 170 bikers who descended on the restaurant. Among those arrested was Theron Rhoten, who had just pulled into the parking lot on his vintage Harley chopper when the bullets started flying.

Rhoten showed up at the Twin Peaks restaurant for a regional motorcycle club meeting. But, according to his wife, he soon found himself in the middle of a deadly shootout involving scores of other bikers.

Katie Rhoten said her husband ran for cover and was later arrested, along with motorcycle-riding friends and other "nonviolent, noncriminal people."

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There may be some guilty people in the Waco jail but the vast majority of them are totally innocent. The fricking pigs rounded up anyone with even a Harley shirt on irregardless of what they did or didn't do. Not to mention the fact that every fricking one of the arrest warrants was a carbon copy with the only difference being the name on the sheet.
Posted by Armymann50
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:56 pm to
Cathy Edwards, the county’s indigent defense coordinator, said of the 175 bikers at the county jail she interviewed, 63 have requested court-appointed attorneys.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:57 pm to
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There may be some guilty people in the Waco jail but the vast majority of them are totally innocent.







Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:33 pm to
OK then smartass... What do you think this guy was guilty of doing?

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Clendennen is a resident of nearby Hewitt, Texas and a 2011 graduate of Baylor University. The 30-year-old, married father of four and employer of six “has no previous criminal record.” He is represented by Dallas attorney F. Clinton Broden.

The suit complains that although “Clendennen was present at the Twin Peaks restaurant” he “did not engage in any criminal activity…nor did he travel to Twin Peaks on that day with the intent to engage in any criminal activity nor did he anticipate that any criminal activity would take place.”

He “was on the patio area of Twin Peaks on that day when violence began among other individuals in or around the Twin Peaks parking lot. At the time the violence erupted, Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen took cover by attempting to hide in a hallway inside Twin Peaks.” He “did not engage in any violence at or around Twin Peaks” or “encourage or solicit any criminal activity.” He “did not possess any weapons while present at Twin Peaks that day except for a closed Benchmade mini pocket knife given to him as a Christmas gift by his parents in December 2011 and which he has carried regularly since then. That knife never left Mr. Clendennen’s pocket while he was at Twin Peaks. Despite the fact that Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen committed no criminal acts he was arrested at Twin Peaks on or about May 17, 2015 without probable cause and his motorcycle was illegally seized.”

The suit further alleges: “It was also the policy of the City of Waco, as decided and approved by their policymakers to illegally seize vehicles from those illegally arrested with the hopes of selling those vehicles for a profit.”



Or how about all these people, what are they guilty of doing? From the sounds of this, only ONE person can even be seen taking part in anything...


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As gunfire broke out in the parking lot of a Texas restaurant, dozens of motorcycle riders ran inside seeking cover and tried to guide others to safety, security video reviewed exclusively by The Associated Press showed Wednesday.

The video, shared by representatives of the restaurant, shows bikers on the patio ducking under tables and trying to get inside. At least three people were holding handguns. One biker was seen running with blood on his face, hands and torso.

The footage shows only one round being fired — by a biker on the patio who then ran inside.

Authorities have said the shooting began during an apparent confrontation between two rival motorcycle gangs — the Bandidos and the Cossacks. Some bikers have complained that police acted too hastily in making arrests and scooped up riders who had nothing to do with the violence.

Before the shooting begins, the inside of the restaurant appears to be mostly empty. Bikers and other patrons can be seen walking to the windows facing the parking lot where most of the shooting happened.

When gunfire erupts at 12:24 p.m., most bikers, other patrons and staff immediately run away from the windows and into the restaurant's interior. At least three people can be seen holding handguns.

One camera angle shows bikers running into the men's bathroom. When there's no space left in the bathroom, they dash toward the kitchen.

Another camera angle, on the far side of the restaurant from the gunfire, shows patrons who are not wearing biker gear crawling behind tables toward the kitchen. At least three bikers appear to be gesturing for the patrons to crawl to safety.



How about this guy.... What was he guilty of doing?

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Authorities on Sunday swept up around 170 bikers who descended on the restaurant. Among those arrested was Theron Rhoten, who had just pulled into the parking lot on his vintage Harley chopper when the bullets started flying.

Rhoten showed up at the Twin Peaks restaurant for a regional motorcycle club meeting. But, according to his wife, he soon found himself in the middle of a deadly shootout involving scores of other bikers.

Katie Rhoten said her husband ran for cover and was later arrested, along with motorcycle-riding friends and other "nonviolent, noncriminal people."




Posted by PowerTool
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:42 pm to
Has your opinion of participating in a CoC changed at all?
Posted by KJason
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:47 pm to
You do realize that all of these people were arrested, not convicted.

They will have their day in court just like every other person who has been arrested.

Innocent people are arrested all the time. That is why we have the judicial process and don't allow cops to be judge, jury, and executioner.



The truth of the matter is that all of these people put themselves in a compromising situation. Part of that compromise is being lumped in with the criminals who were also participating in the same activity.

Is that tough to grasp?
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
39137 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:59 pm to
One step in the middle between arrest and trial is bond. It was effectively denied to some people who wanted some wings and to listen to the political wrangling.

Their property was also seized by a local government in a poor area to raise money. Median household income in Waco is less than $33k a year.

You are seeing the beginning of a bunch of trumped up charges being dropped. Then it will get interesting when it all hits civil court.

I will take forensics, video, and testimony locked down in deposition over a lying spokesman any day. Once he told the first lies, his word is suspect on everything.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
11283 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:06 pm to
I don't mind painting with a broad brush in the minutes and hours after but jeeeeze - you really don't see the issue with holding people on unattainable bonds and forcing them the prove their innocence in court after being held for weeks (or possibly months before they get to court) based on no tangible evidence beyond being identified as a motorcycle rider within eye shot of the restaurant?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64595 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:25 pm to
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You do realize that all of these people were arrested, not convicted.

They will have their day in court just like every other person who has been arrested.

Innocent people are arrested all the time. That is why we have the judicial process and don't allow cops to be judge, jury, and executioner.



The truth of the matter is that all of these people put themselves in a compromising situation. Part of that compromise is being lumped in with the criminals who were also participating in the same activity.

Is that tough to grasp?


This guy gave the perfect answer to your post....

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I don't mind painting with a broad brush in the minutes and hours after but jeeeeze - you really don't see the issue with holding people on unattainable bonds and forcing them the prove their innocence in court after being held for weeks (or possibly months before they get to court) based on no tangible evidence beyond being identified as a motorcycle rider within eye shot of the restaurant?


How anyone can claim to be a supporter of the laws of this county and yet be fine with what's happening in Waco is beyond me.
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:28 pm to
did not kill...or mud check.... beer is cheap?
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:34 pm to
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Darth_Vader


So everyone sitting in jail protesting their innocence is, in fact, innocent? I don't don't there are some but who knows how many.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64595 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:55 pm to
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So everyone sitting in jail protesting their innocence is, in fact, innocent? I don't don't there are some but who knows how many.


It's been almost TWO frickING WEEKS. So "who knows" is pure horseshite.

I'll tell you who should "know" by now.., the asshats at the Waco PD. pretty fricking simple. Line these 170 up and ask one simple question.. "Do we have a shred of evidence this one specific person had anything to do with what happened at Twin Peaks?" And unless they gave hard evidence that specific person did indeed take part in the shooting, LET THEM GO FREE.
Posted by BigSECfan
Member since May 2015
39 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 8:10 am to
Aww come on Darth. A 2 week stint in county ain't that bad. Sure it's boring as hell and the 3 cold squares aren't anything to write home about but seriously, it's just not that bad.

I think most of those who you refer to as innocent are simply paying for what's called a stupid tax. Most of those caught up in this mess did opt into the situation by hanging around those who actually perpetrated the crimes that caused this unfortunate melee to take place in the first place. Keep in mind. Some actually died and others were wounded. So........

At the end of the day it gives them and us time to reflect on our choice making. I for one know that I will never ever be a hang around to a bunch of supposed 1%ers whose lifestyle might include criminal and self destructive behavior. I personally feel better behaving in a mature adult productive manner and can't seem to grasp how dire this situation became over a ficckjng patch. LOL. That's just silly to me. LMFAO, and at the same time blood was spilt over a patch? Can you look in from an outsiders perspective at how silly and borderline insane as well as totally immature this is?

I don't know but, no pity from me. Yes. This is Murica and everybody gonna get sued and I feel many of the 170 will walk with a hand slap. Right now, I imagine the investigation is still ongoing and more than one agency is watching the film to try and find out exactly who perpetrated the most significant crimes and to stabilize the area so that no other civilians are potentially put in harms way by this silly and immature behavior. Totally just my opinions and I am also saddened that blood was shed in this melee of silly childish behavior by adults. But, jail is better than dead or injured.

Edit. P.S. All this biker talk has me wanting to pull the trigger on a V-Max. Always wanted one since the 80's when they first came out. 190ish HP between your legs. How cool would that be?
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 8:24 am
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