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Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:51 am to DaTroof
I'm still amused at the OP vignette.
LOL. It's counting the "drag" distance AFTER he shot the dude as justification for the shoot.
Let the frick go of the car dumb arse!!!
LOL. It's counting the "drag" distance AFTER he shot the dude as justification for the shoot.
Let the frick go of the car dumb arse!!!
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:53 am to ShortyRob
quote:
A wise choice. Alas, if I had hung on, the car would not have been "dragging" me, I would have been "holding on".
it would've been dragging you while you were holding on
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:53 am to lsusteve1
quote:What would your opinion if, while flailing like an a-hole, the cop's shot missed the dude and went thru his side window and killed a 4 year old?
What would your opinion be if this guy caused an accident and killed someone in your family (while under the influence)?
The most dangerous person to bystanders at that moment was the cop because if we are to believe his defenders, he was being drug and feared being out of control so much that he thought he might go under the car, BUT, he still threw his hand up there and squeezed one off.
Of course, what really happened is fricking obvious. He started to get pulled WHILE HE HELD ON, gained enough control to take the shot............did.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:55 am to Choctaw
quote:Nope. Dragging implies a lack of control.
it would've been dragging you while you were holding on
You tie a rope to your trailer hitch and to me then start driving.........you're "dragging me".
I grab your trailer hitch, you start driving and I hold on.........you aren't dragging shite.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:56 am to ShortyRob
Does he have to shoot if the guy doesn't flee?
Right or wrong, you're playing with fire when you do stupid shite.
Right or wrong, you're playing with fire when you do stupid shite.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:58 am to DaTroof
You so mad dawg
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:00 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Nope. Dragging implies a lack of control.
kinda. it implies force and lack of control. just because you're holding on doesn't mean you're in control
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 9:02 am
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:02 am to VetteGuy
Again let's look at the Physics, the guy is getting pulled over on the right side of the road, hence his steering wheel has been turned slightly to the right. The officer is on the left hand side of the car at the driver side window. He starts the car and then within TWO SECONDS he shoots him in the head. One cannot turn the steering wheel as far to the left as it can go (this is what would be required for the man to just roll over his toes) while it is sitting still in that short amount of time. Did you see the driver frantically turning the steering wheel left as he was starting the car? No.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:05 am to lsusteve1
quote:
you're playing with fire when you do stupid shite
So you've never done something stupid? We all do stupid shite. Everybody makes mistakes. There isn't a perfect person in this world. Shooting somebody for trying to run is murder. I hope the cop rots in jail and I hope this deters all other cops from turning 'minor traffic stops' into the worst mistake of their life.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:10 am to Tigerstudent08
I was looking at where the car ended up and the fact that, for whatever reason, the cop, at some point, ended up on the ground.
I agree that he was stopped on the right side of the road, but as you saw, the car ended up down the block, on the left side of the road.
You and I both know that a true accident reconstruction (not some numbnuts with a measuring wheel) would be necessary to determine speed, angle, and force.
I believe that intelligent people can have a reasonable conversation, yet have differing opinions, even on a message board.
Of course, I also believe in Santa Claus, so there's that.
I agree that he was stopped on the right side of the road, but as you saw, the car ended up down the block, on the left side of the road.
You and I both know that a true accident reconstruction (not some numbnuts with a measuring wheel) would be necessary to determine speed, angle, and force.
I believe that intelligent people can have a reasonable conversation, yet have differing opinions, even on a message board.
Of course, I also believe in Santa Claus, so there's that.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:17 am to ShortyRob
SR, I agree, the vid clearly shows his gun was straight and level when he fired.
I don't see any way he was ever drug by the car, unless, and this is a big unless, the driver turned left, hit the/brushed the cop, knocked him down and his (the cop) immediate reaction was that he felt in fear for his life.
"Hey this guy was being uncooperative and evasive. Then, he tries to drive off, hitting me in the process. I've gotta stop this guy."
Just an opinion...
I don't see any way he was ever drug by the car, unless, and this is a big unless, the driver turned left, hit the/brushed the cop, knocked him down and his (the cop) immediate reaction was that he felt in fear for his life.
"Hey this guy was being uncooperative and evasive. Then, he tries to drive off, hitting me in the process. I've gotta stop this guy."
Just an opinion...
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:27 am to accnodefense
The breakdown still does not change the fact that the cop never should have pulled his gun and fired. So what if he got caught up in the car as it was pulling away. The worse that could have happened to him was a broken leg or two had he been run over.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:29 am to VetteGuy
Which was a fair distance down the road. He went maybe 10-15 degrees to the left from where his car was originally. For him to strike the officer he. Would need to turn at more than 45 degrees to hit him.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:32 am to Tigerstudent08
Good point.
And we're both assuming a straight shot, with no turns.
Depending on the year of the car (I think it's too old) it may have a data recorder. Assuming the car hasn't been driven, it may have some information.
And we're both assuming a straight shot, with no turns.
Depending on the year of the car (I think it's too old) it may have a data recorder. Assuming the car hasn't been driven, it may have some information.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:42 am to VetteGuy
Typically I see cops have their guns secured in their holster with a buttoned down strap. It is amazing to me that in two seconds fear of he was going to be killed popped into his head, he reaches for his weapon, removes it from the holster and aims it at the guys head and then pulls the trigger. That is an incredible amount of things to happen in TWO mississippis!
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:49 am to Tigerstudent08
With training, that's pretty easily done.
I'm sure he was in Condition One or Zero, only difference being safety on or off. Plus, it was a close shot so target acquisition would be instantaneous.
I'm sure he was in Condition One or Zero, only difference being safety on or off. Plus, it was a close shot so target acquisition would be instantaneous.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:07 am to VetteGuy
If he can react that quickly why not just take one step back away from the car and completely remove himself from harms way? Seems more feasible to me in two seconds.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:10 pm to Tigerstudent08
I can't believe people are arguing about the driving skills of a corpse. And, as usual, Choctaw is wrong about everything. It's quite amazing, his consistency.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:37 pm to ShortyRob
quote:It's like shooting somebody and justifying it due to assault because the person fell into the shooter AFTER being shot.
LOL. It's counting the "drag" distance AFTER he shot the dude as justification for the shoot.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 12:41 pm
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