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re: Best video breakdown of the Cincinnati Tensing/Dubose shooting I have seen yet

Posted on 8/1/15 at 10:41 am to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111513 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 10:41 am to
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So now we have a police officer with his life ruined for some thug with 60+ arrests.


What an idiot to ruin his life for a thug.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 10:42 am to
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Plain and simple, this indictment is about keeping the black community in Cincinnati from rioting. It had nothing at all to do with upholding the law. So now we have a police officer with his life ruined for some thug with 60+ arrests.
No. The officer's life is ruined because he decided to use excessive force and shoot a man--who at worse may have been attempting to drive AWAY from the officer--in the head at point blank range. This then put himself and other at risk by causing the car drive with nothing to control it.

It's just ridiculous that some of you can't acknowledge that the officer's actions were at the very least impulsive and excessive.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57209 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 10:50 am to
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Since when is ok to kill, even if someone drives off?


When you're being dragged down the street by the perpetrator's car.
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7193 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 10:50 am to
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It's just ridiculous that some of you can't acknowledge that the officer's actions were at the very least impulsive and excessive.


I say his actions were brave and they demonstrated perfectly the training he's received in his career.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 10:52 am to
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I say his actions were brave and they demonstrated perfectly the training he's received in his career.
OK. I see that you're trolling now.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57209 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 10:56 am to
Regardless, this cop will be convicted even if the evidence proves he is innocent. Cincy doesn't want to burn like Ferguson and Baltimore, and #blacklivesmatter, except to other blacks.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 11:06 am to
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When you're being dragged down the street by the perpetrator's car.
But since he was dragged AFTER he shot the driver, which incidently caused him to be dragged, how does that justify shooting him in the first place?
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7193 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 11:15 am to
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OK. I see that you're trolling now.


definitely not trolling.
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7193 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 11:17 am to
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But since he was dragged AFTER he shot the driver, which incidently caused him to be dragged, how does that justify shooting him in the first place?


The driver was accelerating before the gun came out.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 11:30 am to
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Regardless, this cop will be convicted even if the evidence proves he is innocent. Cincy doesn't want to burn like Ferguson and Baltimore, and #blacklivesmatter, except to other blacks
yes because all blacks kill each other.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57209 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 1:10 pm to
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But since he was dragged AFTER he shot the driver, which incidently caused him to be dragged, how does that justify shooting him in the first place?


This is not what the OP asked.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 1:27 pm to
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This is not what the OP asked.

He asked this:
quote:

Since when is ok to kill, even if someone drives off?
You responded with this:
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When you're being dragged down the street by the perpetrator's car.
So it's not relevant to he discussion that he wasn't dragged until AFTER he shot the driver, making your justification for the shooting, a result of the shooting? It's some of the most backwards logic I've read on here.
This post was edited on 8/1/15 at 1:29 pm
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57209 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 4:16 pm to
The original poster made the argument the driver was NOT dead when he started dragging the officer, thus giving the officer probable cause to use deadly force.

The poster to whom I was referring made the assertion that even if the driver was not dead at the time of the shooting, the officer was not justified in using deadly force. If the driver was simply pulling away, with not threat to the officer, then, no, the officer was not justified in shooting the victim. However, if the officer was being dragged by a driver who was still alive at the time of the shooting then, by all means, the officer was justified in his response.
This post was edited on 8/1/15 at 4:19 pm
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16456 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 4:32 pm to
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But since he was dragged AFTER he shot the driver, which incidently caused him to be dragged, how does that justify shooting him in the first place?


So you are saying a dead guy started the car, took it out of drive and into park and pressed the accelerator?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 4:40 pm to
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So fleeing from an officer is ok in your book? You can't have it both ways.

This is such a fricktardedly stupid logic it's mind numbing.

Saying, "you shouldn't shoot a guy in the face cause he's fleeing" is NOT the same as saying "fleeing is OK".

Jeebus you people are fricking morons.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 4:42 pm to
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Not enough to miss a car about 50 ft in front of it.



Unpossible. UNfrickINGPOSSIBLE that you're that stupid.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 10:57 pm to
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Saying, "you shouldn't shoot a guy in the face cause he's fleeing" is NOT the same as saying "fleeing is OK".

Jeebus you people are fricking morons.


+ 1
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 8/1/15 at 11:12 pm to
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Regardless, this cop will be convicted even if the evidence proves he is innocent. Cincy doesn't want to burn like Ferguson and Baltimore, and #blacklivesmatter, except to other blacks.



And maybe he'll be convicted because we don't shoot people for missing tail lights. And no, we don't shoot them for any of the other rationalizations that some try to make to justify the cop's actions.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 8/2/15 at 3:25 am to
here is my theory, and i bet i'm right.

the guy has a long rap sheet. I'''m betting money he's on parole of some sort. You don't have a 60 arrest career and not be on some form of parole / probation. This explains why he doesn't' have a license, his is probably suspended.


You're on parole, or probation for that matter and you get popped driving on a suspended that's auto jail. no questions asked. go to jail go directly to jail do not pass go, depending on what state you're in you're going to do at least a year or maybe even the rest of your sentence.


So the guy gets pulled over, knowing he's fricked becuase he's driving on a suspended and he's on parole, makes an irrational decision to flee / abscond. I'm not saying what he did was right, but I've seen it happen. I had a guy i was in drug court with do the exact same thing, just said frick it and drove away and moved to texas lol.



So at least I can get a grasp on what the guy was thinking.



Now, let's assume that was the case. 1. it's stupid to shoot him becucase if he was really that big of a threat he wouldn't be on parole. I'd almost guarantee his rap sheet is a bunch of petty drug related shite. You get in the system and you never get out. EVery dime bag or every time you go out and have a few drinks and get pulled over instead of getting a warning you go to jail.



But more importantly 2. if he was on parole, all the motherfricker had to do was contact his parole officer. Even if he didn't have a name he had a description of the car, he had the tags on the car he had the description of the suspect. When I was in drug court my probation officer knew the make, model and tag numbers of my dad's wife's car lol, knew my cousins who lived in texas phone number and and address, shite i once contacted my probation officer to ask her to give me my cousins address so I knew where I was driving to for thanksgiving lol.


My point being, all the cop had to do was go back to the office and run the tags, make and model through whatever the frick system they use and something would have hit. Then wait for him to show up there like he eventually would and take his arse to jail.



With all that said, if what I'm saying was correct, the dude that got pulled over should have known better than most that fleeing from a cop that you don't know already and dragging him with you is not a very smart decision.



There is no right or wrong here. Stop making stupid decisions. stop shooting people for tail light violations, unless you see someone with a tech 9 in the backseat or something or your pulling over Ted Bundy or something just lose the battle let the dude get away and get him later.


Here's a thought, if your license is suspended STOP frickING DRIVING lol. I know. it's a unique concept. Catch a cab lol. walk. take the bus. I knew a girl in drug court who was for like 5 years and never failed a drug test but never could get her license renewed and every year she'd get popped for driving on a suspended, and not for any real emergency shite, for going to the movies and shite like that. like you have to be kidding me just stop driving lol.


I've dealt with some of the most a-hole officers you can ever imagine, male and female,, usually white but a few blacks too, and despite how assholish they can be, they won't do shite to you, even if you're black lol, if you respect them and treat them like they want to be teated. when you in they world you have to play their game so you can eventually get back to playing yours. that's how it works.
Posted by Flame Salamander
Texas Gulf - Clear Lake
Member since Jan 2012
3044 posts
Posted on 8/2/15 at 3:43 am to
The pig was beside the car and out of the driving path. He put his gun to the head of the driver and pulled the trigger.

nothing else matters...guilty...case closed.
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