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re: Baby Boomers in industry

Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:14 pm to
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:14 pm to
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That is not how business works. At all. What industry are you in?



Worked for one of the largest corporations in the world.

They make money. Other businesses model off of them.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 9:15 pm
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65688 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:22 pm to
All the other kids with the pumped-up kicks better run....

The average 50 or 55 or 60 year-old is conservative in their workplace and work ethic whether they were born in 1900 or 1955 and it will be true for the 1985 birth year folks.

Obvious point is obvious.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:24 pm to
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The average 50 or 55 or 60 year-old is conservative in their workplace and work ethic whether they were born in 1900 or 1955 and it will be true for the 1985 birth year folks.



Yep. They have seen an tried new technology, made advances where possible, and know to question snake oil when it is trumpeted as myrrh.

All of this because one time they were the innovators and learned their lessons.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 9:25 pm
Posted by white beans
Member since Sep 2009
5637 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:42 pm to
Calling some of these folks innovators in any capacity is generous. They got burned overspending on canned software packages that they couldn't implement or fully utilize and now project their intellectual limitations onto others.

This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 9:43 pm
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:47 pm to
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I'm 37, been at it for 15 years now. First 12 years were pretty consistent in a corporate setting, smart and stable middle managers and colleagues were a mixed bag but mostly educated and competent.

Flip over to operations, in three years I never imagined the dysfunction and downright toxicity that I have had to work through with the older established field management. The higher ups are nothing more than politicians and only look to promote informants who are inept within their discipline, totally noncommittal, and nothing more than master outsourcers and backstabbers. The whole lot rejects technology unless it's something that they can use to control while absolutely failing to leverage its full capabilities due to lack of innovation and technical acumen.

When these bullshitters move on (if it ever happens, most haven't saved shite) our economy will boom.



LOL, you millenials and your obsession with Boomers. Nevah been dun befoe.

Get yourself some originality, but first get your lazy arse to work.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:48 pm to
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When these bullshitters move on (if it ever happens, most haven't saved shite) our economy will boom.




Amen
Posted by white beans
Member since Sep 2009
5637 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:55 pm to
22 up votes and 5 down votes on that post

An overwhelming majority agree with my assessment and here you are projecting and playing d. I made this thread to help you all.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:56 pm to
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Middle managers




quote:

Flip over to operations,


Operations? You mean the ones who actually get shite done and make it happen?
You came from (middle) management and went to operations and found a change in attitude? Shocking! Maybe it's because operations people are the ones who actually make it all work.
I'd suggest losing your attitude and viewing it from the operations perspective. Maybe they're right and you're the fricked up one.
Posted by StrangeBrew
Salvation Army-Thanks Obama
Member since May 2009
18184 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:00 pm to
As an Operator, I only allow the best and the brightest on my crew. I got a 57 year old that is the king of Lotus Notes, so I don't judge by age when it comes to technology. He is a whiz with FORTRAN and COBOL as well.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117709 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:00 pm to
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:07 pm to
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They got burned overspending on canned software packages that they couldn't implement or fully utilize and now project their intellectual limitations onto others.


Hindsight being 20/20 you can see this.

Your solution is to scrap everything and start over.

Think about that....
Posted by white beans
Member since Sep 2009
5637 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:13 pm to
I typically get deployed to fix broken managers and unfrick their inept processes. They hate me until they realize that I in all likelihood quietly saved their career.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 10:20 pm
Posted by white beans
Member since Sep 2009
5637 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:29 pm to
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Hindsight being 20/20 you can see this. Your solution is to scrap everything and start over. Think about that....


My solution is actually to use the assets at our disposal which tends to empower a larger base and increase overall transparency, problematic for the obfuscation game and ego. We have managers who try to forbid company e-mail usage amongst direct reports. Think about that...
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 10:31 pm
Posted by Ton Chou
On the Levee
Member since Feb 2010
757 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:35 pm to
I'm 38 and often see people with exceptional tech skills but you still have to explain to them like a 5 year old what, exactly you are trying to figure out. They can't see the objective/end goal but can come up with the info you need much faster once you make that part clear.
Posted by stinkdawg
Savannah, smoking by the gas cans
Member since Aug 2014
4072 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:43 pm to
Gen X here. As far as I'm concerned, it's The Greatest and us. The rest suck. 'cept everyone that served in the armed forces.
Posted by Popths
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
3965 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:53 pm to
Nothing like a good ole generalization.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:57 pm to
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My solution is actually to use the assets at our disposal which tends to empower a larger base and increase overall transparency, problematic for the obfuscation game and ego. We have managers who try to forbid company e-mail usage amongst direct reports. Think about that...


Sounds like your company is completely fricked up then. The culture of the company needs to be changed. If that is the case, management IS a problem. If it is middle management being allowed to carry out this sort of action, then it is on the upper management.

You shouldn't let the company culture sway your vision of an entire generation.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
15785 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 11:25 pm to
Shitty people are shitty people. Those baby boomers who you talk about have forgotten more than you will ever know about their business if they have been in it for 40 plus years. You may be more efficient but their knowledge is irreplaceable. My FIL died at 65 2 years ago and was building and rebuilding badass computers and could have schooled me in the technology field. He came up in the paper industry and had nothing to do with technology but he enjoyed it. My Dad who turns 54 tomorrow is retiring from BP in the next two months and can barley operate an iPhone but the sumbitch can do anything he puts his mind to when it comes to hard work like welding, building fences, building shops, heading and heeling, training horses, or any other manly things you can think of. I'm 35 and pay somebody to do everything from cleaning my house, mowing my grass, change my oil, and doing general repairs around my house. I also still keep a paper calendar for my work schedule.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 11:29 pm
Posted by white beans
Member since Sep 2009
5637 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 11:37 pm to
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Sounds like your company is completely fricked up then. The culture of the company needs to be changed. If that is the case, management IS a problem. If it is middle management being allowed to carry out this sort of action, then it is on the upper management.


Our company is doing quite well actually. We do have our share of clowns but nothing extraordinary or atypical for the industry. Maybe a real out of bounds power trip here and there but those get checked quickly.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
87437 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 11:45 pm to
Houston O&G is flooded right now with 50-60 somethings with 30+ years, tons of useless corporate knowledge and little prospects in anything but consulting

Lucky for them they got packages and pensions to live on but now what do they do? Too young to retire, too experienced to re-purpose themselves and too educated for most of the jobs available
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