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re: Anyone else miss The Duke?
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:16 am to Walt OReilly
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:16 am to Walt OReilly
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Did he play in a lot of cowboy movies?
And managed to avoid serving in WWII.
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:17 am to Bengalbadguy
This guy seems so tough
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:18 am to Jim Rockford
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And managed to avoid serving in WWII.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:24 am to Jim Rockford
Yeah, that's what he did.
The charges of Wayne being a “draft dodger” are not new and with a simple Google search one can find any number of far left types absolutely blowing their “peace and love” credentials over Wayne and his lack of service in World War II. The truth is far more complex and even “hidden in plain sight” than one would think.
Upon graduating from Glendale High School in 1925, Wayne applied to the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis, hoping to live out his dream of being a career Naval officer. He came close but was instead chosen the first alternate candidate.
By the start of World War II Wayne had been suffering for years from a badly torn shoulder muscle incurred in a body surfing accident that cost him his football scholarship at USC in 1927. He also had a bad back from performing his own stunts during ten years acting in “B” Westerns. Moreover, he suffered from a chronic ear infection, resulting from hours of underwater filming on Cecil B. De Mille’s Reap the Wild Wind in 1941. Had Wayne actually undergone a pre-induction physical, he might indeed have been classified 4-F.
According to Randy Roberts and James Olson’s top notch John Wayne American, as a married but separated father of four and thirty-four years old in 1942 Wayne was classified by the Selective Service as 3-A (deferred for family dependency). In 1944 as the U.S. Military feared a manpower shortage he was reclassified 1-A (draft eligible). There is no record that he disputed this reclassification but his employer, Republic Studios, did and requested he be given a 2-A classification (deferred in the national interest, i.e., war bond drives, visiting the troops, etc.). Selective Service records for World War II are spotty at best, many having been destroyed, but surviving records indicate these claims were filed “by another,” i.e. Republic Studio’s legal department. In fact, a letter from Republic Studios head Herbert Yates threatened to sue Wayne for breach of contract should he leave the studio for volunteer military service, though it is doubtful he would have carried through with the threat. But Wayne was indeed Republic’s biggest moneymaker during the war and that studio’s only “A” star at the time.
Yet, according to director John Ford’s grandson, in 1943 John Wayne tried to get a commission in the Marine Corps and get attached to Ford’s O.S.S. (the forerunner of the C.I.A.) Field Photographic Unit. In Pappy; the Life of John Ford, Dan Ford says emphatically “…that the billets were frozen in 1943. John (Ford) couldn’t get Wayne in as an enlisted man, much less an officer.”
The charges of Wayne being a “draft dodger” are not new and with a simple Google search one can find any number of far left types absolutely blowing their “peace and love” credentials over Wayne and his lack of service in World War II. The truth is far more complex and even “hidden in plain sight” than one would think.
Upon graduating from Glendale High School in 1925, Wayne applied to the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis, hoping to live out his dream of being a career Naval officer. He came close but was instead chosen the first alternate candidate.
By the start of World War II Wayne had been suffering for years from a badly torn shoulder muscle incurred in a body surfing accident that cost him his football scholarship at USC in 1927. He also had a bad back from performing his own stunts during ten years acting in “B” Westerns. Moreover, he suffered from a chronic ear infection, resulting from hours of underwater filming on Cecil B. De Mille’s Reap the Wild Wind in 1941. Had Wayne actually undergone a pre-induction physical, he might indeed have been classified 4-F.
According to Randy Roberts and James Olson’s top notch John Wayne American, as a married but separated father of four and thirty-four years old in 1942 Wayne was classified by the Selective Service as 3-A (deferred for family dependency). In 1944 as the U.S. Military feared a manpower shortage he was reclassified 1-A (draft eligible). There is no record that he disputed this reclassification but his employer, Republic Studios, did and requested he be given a 2-A classification (deferred in the national interest, i.e., war bond drives, visiting the troops, etc.). Selective Service records for World War II are spotty at best, many having been destroyed, but surviving records indicate these claims were filed “by another,” i.e. Republic Studio’s legal department. In fact, a letter from Republic Studios head Herbert Yates threatened to sue Wayne for breach of contract should he leave the studio for volunteer military service, though it is doubtful he would have carried through with the threat. But Wayne was indeed Republic’s biggest moneymaker during the war and that studio’s only “A” star at the time.
Yet, according to director John Ford’s grandson, in 1943 John Wayne tried to get a commission in the Marine Corps and get attached to Ford’s O.S.S. (the forerunner of the C.I.A.) Field Photographic Unit. In Pappy; the Life of John Ford, Dan Ford says emphatically “…that the billets were frozen in 1943. John (Ford) couldn’t get Wayne in as an enlisted man, much less an officer.”
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:33 am to VetteGuy
OTOH, Jimmy Stewart was rejected multiple times for being severely underweight, and went to extremes to put on enough pounds to make the standard, finally being accepted into the Air Corps and flying missions over Germany as a bomber pilot.
Did John Wayne do everything he possibly could? That's between him and his conscience. But he's not the only one who faced hurdles, and got in.
Did John Wayne do everything he possibly could? That's between him and his conscience. But he's not the only one who faced hurdles, and got in.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:40 am to Jim Rockford
Well, it certainly does he appear that he didn't actively avoid the draft. He also didn't fight his reclassification, even at 34 years old.
Wayne had many flaws, but being a draft dodger or being someone who "managed to avoid serving" isn't one.
Wayne had many flaws, but being a draft dodger or being someone who "managed to avoid serving" isn't one.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:40 am to Jim Rockford
I am pretty young and grew up on the Duke and Eastwood westerns, they were awesome. Never heard of him swinging both ways and the colon thing wasnt from eating steak everyday you dipshits. The man was in pain and dying of cancer and on a ton of pain meds. All you pills heads on here should know what that does.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:45 am to GREENHEAD22
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I am pretty young and grew up on the Duke and Eastwood westerns, they were awesome. Never heard of him swinging both ways and the colon thing wasnt from eating steak everyday you dipshits. The man was in pain and dying of cancer and on a ton of pain meds. All you pills heads on here should know what that does.
Calm down Pilgrim
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:07 am to GREENHEAD22
quote:well, the street talk in Hollywood back in the day had him and Rock Hudson in a three way with Doris Day - the Duke was the Choo-Choo - Rock was the sandwich meat and Doris was the caboose.
Never heard of him swinging both ways and the colon thing wasnt from eating steak everyday you dipshits.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:25 pm to skinny domino
This is total bullshite. No credible evidence exists that John Wayne was gay. Even though I have no doubt the cock gobblers on this board and elsewhere want it to be true.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:27 pm to samson73103
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This is total bullshite. No credible evidence exists that John Wayne was gay. Even though I have no doubt the cock gobblers on this board and elsewhere want it to be true.
Even if he was...who cares? I don't.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:43 pm to samson73103
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This is total bullshite. No credible evidence exists that John Wayne was gay. Even though I have no doubt the cock gobblers on this board and elsewhere want it to be true.
Wow...you seem mad.
And you're blaming the "cock gobblers"?
If he was a manly man's man back then, then he was a manly man's man no matter what his proclivities were.
Not all gays are effeminate fairy boys.
And you know all those "manly mannerisms" that made john Wayne so popular?
Ripped off of Yakima Canutt
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In 1932, he met a little-known actor named John Wayne. A cowboy bromance was formed. Canutt not only doubled for Wayne on his trickiest stunts but he also taught him how to fall off a horse without dying and how to twirl a gun real fancy-like, and together they developed realistic punching techniques for the camera. But more importantly, John Wayne pretty much tailored his on-screen persona after Yakima. Everything that we remember about John Wayne -- his walk, his slow, long drawl and stilted speech, even the way he stood -- were all ripped right off of Yak Canutt.
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This isn't some kind of conspiracy theory. The Duke was the first to admit it: "I spent weeks studying the way Yakima Canutt walked and talked. He was a real cowhand. I noticed that the angrier he got, the lower his voice, the slower his tempo. I try to say my lines low and strong and slow, the way Yak did." So Canutt not only taught Wayne the skills he needed to be a believable cowboy, but he was the real-life John Wayne. He invented all of the mannerisms that John Wayne would use in every freaking role he played. Wayne became one of the most famous actors of all time; Canutt was forgotten.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:13 pm to Bengalbadguy
the pussification of murica 
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:03 pm to Cracker
Sorry I'm late to the thread. I was busy being a badass.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:07 pm to Artie Rome
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You have something. But I don't think it's called cancer.
Are you suggesting that I am an alcoholic?
I'll have you know that I have SEVERAL other vices!
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:29 am to John Wayne
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Sorry I'm late to the thread. I was busy being a badass.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:41 pm to fr33manator
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Wow...you seem mad. And you're blaming the "cock gobblers"?
Hell yes I'm mad. The Duke has been dead 35 years and it pisses me off to see his reputation besmirched when he isn't alive to defend himself. And it's guys who like the taste of dick in their mouth who promote crap like this because, I suppose, it makes them feel better about their deviant lifestyle. If they want to be accepted as they are then STFU, live however they want, but stop trying to shove their gayness in everyone's face and claiming that numerous celebrities swing both ways or are outright in the closet.
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