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re: Another reason not to crossfit
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:20 pm to boxcarbarney
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:20 pm to boxcarbarney
is there a video of it?
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:22 pm to MThawg
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:33 pm to Lester Earl
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is there a video of it
There is. I've only seen the screenshots of it though.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:50 pm to St Augustine
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Not going to blame crossfit here. The guy was obviously in phenomenal shape and likely competing in some kind of lifting event. I just don't see why crossfit has some of its population doing similar exercises to this. Unless you're special forces or a competitive athlete I just don't see how short term benefits outweigh the long term wear and tear... Plenty of other ways to get very strong/fit with significantly less risk of long term issues than doing snatch/cleans, etc.
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No doubt. CF is dumb and you will see this type of thing becoming more common unless people come to their senses. And again in 30 years when all these people's bodies fall apart and we have to foot the bill for their "disabilities."
Lulz at you lazy fatties. Only in America could people be worried about individuals over-training.
Injuries happen you morons. Olympic lifting is inarguably the most effective full-body lift there is. So you don't think it's worth it to olympic lift if you're not training for a professional sport. Good for you. Some people want to look their best regardless. There's nothing wrong with that, some would applaud it.
I don't know the exact ins and outs of this injury, but I can almost guarantee there was a significant amount of personal accountability for the injured party (even though everyone will hate to say such a thing). Some are saying there were weights around the platform. If so, that's 100% on the individual lifter. I've been lifting since I was in middle school, and I'll be damned if there was ever anything on a platform I'm lifting on.
This is sad for the guy, absolutely, but people need to quit demonizing Crossfit. It's laughable.
Also, I don't Crossfit.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:03 pm to Luckypierre11
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Kevin suffered a significant spinal cord injury during a snatch event at today’s competition
well time to ban Snatches from the Olympics
some of you crossfit haters are fricking dumb
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:07 pm to lsu777
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. and snatches and cleans are not hard on your body, no more sore then half the other lifts.
pretty much
my joints feel jut great after a good day of cleans or snatches
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:08 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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well time to ban Snatches from the Olympics
Well I feel sorry for the straight Olympians
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:18 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Injuries happen you morons. Olympic lifting is inarguably the most effective full-body lift there is. So you don't think it's worth it to olympic lift if you're not training for a professional sport. Good for you. Some people want to look their best regardless. There's nothing wrong with that, some would applaud it.
I don't know the exact ins and outs of this injury, but I can almost guarantee there was a significant amount of personal accountability for the injured party (even though everyone will hate to say such a thing). Some are saying there were weights around the platform. If so, that's 100% on the individual lifter. I've been lifting since I was in middle school, and I'll be damned if there was ever anything on a platform I'm lifting on.
No. That's partially on the gym hosting the competition. They should know better. But as I've stated before, the way that one becomes a crossfit coach does not adequately prepare them for stuff like this. A weekend cert is not going to replace years of experience. The lifter should have known better, but the gym owner should damn well have been certain that the platform was clear before allowing anyone to lift on it. The problem is not with crossfit per se, but with this mentality that two days spent in a certifcation makes one an expert trainer. Injuries are rampant in crossfit, and it has little to do with the the movements they do, but more likely with how these box owners are using the movements with their trainees.
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well time to ban Snatches from the Olympics
some of you crossfit haters are fricking dumb
Why don't why you compare and contrast they way olympic lifts are used in competition vs. how crossfit uses them. You may see why under-experienced trainers are not qualified to teach an explosive movement like the snatch, then ask their trainees to do this movement until failure, then people get hurt.
Once again, the problem is not with the movement, but how it is used, and how basic safety precautions were not taken.
eta: to be clear, I don't have crossfit. I'm actually quite a fan of it. But something like this happens, and people refuse to look at the culture that played a role in the injury. Crossfit is not infalible.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:26 pm to boxcarbarney
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Why don't why you compare and contrast they way olympic lifts are used in competition vs. how crossfit uses them. You may see why under-experienced trainers are not qualified to teach an explosive movement like the snatch, then ask their trainees to do this movement until failure, then people get hurt.
people need to look around and check coaches certs and such before joining a gym ive preached this many times on here. Sorry im not letting joe shmo with just a level 1 cert coaching me.
quote:common sense some people don't have it
Once again, the problem is not with the movoement, but how it is used, and how basic safety precautions were not taken.
also lots of people think by just doing the WOD on the website or some crazy shite put together by their coach they will look like and lift like the people in the games.
The people in the games train nothing like that with the bullshite wod. They lift heavy and alot on their Olympic lifts then throw condition wods in after. With multiple work outs per day.
Programs like CF Football or the Outlaw Methods are much better.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:40 pm to boxcarbarney
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No. That's partially on the gym hosting the competition. They should know better. But as I've stated before, the way that one becomes a crossfit coach does not adequately prepare them for stuff like this. A weekend cert is not going to replace years of experience. The lifter should have known better, but the gym owner should damn well have been certain that the platform was clear before allowing anyone to lift on it. The problem is not with crossfit per se, but with this mentality that two days spent in a certifcation makes one an expert trainer. Injuries are rampant in crossfit, and it has little to do with the the movements they do, but more likely with how these box owners are using the movements with their trainees.
I think at some point people need to look at the individual establishments they are working out in as opposed to the global, all-enclusive net that is "Crossfit".
It's like Android. Don't get pissed at Google if you buy an Android phone and it sucks. Maybe you should have bought the Galaxy and not the bullshite Palm or Facebook phone. As someone mentioned, research the local Crossfits and see who is teaching there and what their qualifications/experience levels are. Put some of the ownership on yourself to learn about those who will be teaching you instead of mindlessly walking into a gym and doing whatever they tell you to do.
Again, personal accountability. Crossfit is a nice name, but it's too big and broad to govern the thousands of gyms it's associated with.
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Why don't why you compare and contrast they way olympic lifts are used in competition vs. how crossfit uses them. You may see why under-experienced trainers are not qualified to teach an explosive movement like the snatch, then ask their trainees to do this movement until failure, then people get hurt
If I had one negative against Crossfit it is their WODs with high rep Olympic lifts. I have done some Crossfit WODs off and on with my regular training for about 3 years. I will never ever, however, do a Crossfit WOD that calls for 20-30 snatch or clean and jerk reps. That shite is fvcking idiotic and asking for injury. Those are extremely precise, exact movements that require focus and technique. There's no way to do that many and not get hurt.
If that's the kind of WOD he got hurt in then yea that's on the gym that setup the WOD. I thought he got hurt in an Olympic Lifting Competition.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:43 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The people in the games train nothing like that with the bullshite wod
This is something a lot of people miss. The Jason Khalipas and Josh Everetts of the world don't do main page WODs. They get really strong doing other stuff like linear progression programming, then do crossfitty stuff the closer they get to the games.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:45 pm to FootballNostradamus
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If that's the kind of WOD he got hurt in then yea that's on the gym that setup the WOD. I thought he got hurt in an Olympic Lifting Competition.
I'm not sure if it was a WOD or a lifing competition, but that's besides the point. What injured him was material left on the platform (a stack of plates) that the barbell bounced off of then struck the lifter. I don't care if it was a wod or a max 1RM attempt, the platform should have been clear.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 4:04 pm to boxcarbarney
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He dropped the barbell from a snatch position. The barbell flew back and hit a stack of weights behind him. The barbell bounced off of the stack of weights and hit him in the back. Unless he's Superman with a bad back, this had nothing to do with a preexisting condition, and everything to do with negligence on the part of the gym owner.
this is what happened, had nothing to do with lifting the weight over head while fatigued as others were complaining about, it was the dumb people running the event. had nothing to do with the movement.
now i do agree with pretty much everything said about xfit in this thread, but xfit is not dangerous if you have a good coach with good programming. the problem it is way to easy to be able to open a box.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:04 am to Luckypierre11
This dude played rugby for the Glendale Raptors, same club I played with when I lived in Denver. Sad, freak accident.
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