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Another massive lie we've been fed about nutrition-Excess salt intake causes heart disease

Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Grim
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:32 pm
More and more people are finally discovering that sugar is the real culprit behind the obesity and diabetes epidemic in America, as opposed to fat as we were told for decades. But very few people are aware how little evidence there is of a connection between salt and hypertension, and the related heart diseases.
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This week a meta-analysis of seven studies involving a total of 6,250 subjects in the American Journal of Hypertension found no strong evidence that cutting salt intake reduces the risk for heart attacks, strokes or death in people with normal or high blood pressure. In May European researchers publishing in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that the less sodium that study subjects excreted in their urine—an excellent measure of prior consumption—the greater their risk was of dying from heart disease.

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Dahl also discovered population trends that continue to be cited as strong evidence of a link between salt intake and high blood pressure. People living in countries with a high salt consumption—such as Japan—also tend to have high blood pressure and more strokes. But as a paper pointed out several years later in the American Journal of Hypertension, scientists had little luck finding such associations when they compared sodium intakes within populations, which suggested that genetics or other cultural factors might be the culprit. Nevertheless, in 1977 the U.S. Senate’s Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs released a report recommending that Americans cut their salt intake by 50 to 85 percent, based largely on Dahl's work.

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Intersalt, a large study published in 1988, compared sodium intake with blood pressure in subjects from 52 international research centers and found no relationship between sodium intake and the prevalence of hypertension. In fact, the population that ate the most salt, about 14 grams a day, had a lower median blood pressure than the population that ate the least, about 7.2 grams a day

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One oft-cited 1987 study published in the Journal of Chronic Diseases reported that the number of people who experience drops in blood pressure after eating high-salt diets almost equals the number who experience blood pressure spikes; many stay exactly the same. That is because "the human kidney is made, by design, to vary the accretion of salt based on the amount you take in,"

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This article is from 2011, and rumblings about this have been ongoing for decades. Yet for some reason this data never reaches the masses.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:34 pm to
I love to put salt on ice and eat it
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64601 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:34 pm to
Well, my cardeologist told me to limit my sodium to less than 2,000 mg per day. Think I'll trust his word over your link.

Thanks anyway.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:34 pm to
All that it takes to have a healthy diet is to cook your own food.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:35 pm to
It is not so much sugar as it is glucose. We consume too many carbs and and don't burn off enough glucose daily
Posted by tke857
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:35 pm to
Posted by Titus Pullo
MTDGA
Member since Feb 2011
28567 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:35 pm to
I saw a guy putting salt on a slaw dog at a BBQ joint the other day. I just him.
Posted by heatom2
At the plant, baw.
Member since Nov 2010
12811 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:36 pm to
You could salt your food as much as you want, it's processed food that gets you. All that sodium and added sugar is terrible for you.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:37 pm to
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Member since Jan 2011
22184 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:38 pm to
The massive lie here is that every person's body processes salt exactly the same. Some people can tolerate high sodium diets and some can't.
Posted by Flame Salamander
Texas Gulf - Clear Lake
Member since Jan 2012
3044 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:38 pm to
I have never heard that excess salt causes heart disease.

I have heard many, many times that excess salt can cause high blood pressure. It can. That is basic science. Ion transport/membrane science, etc.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
27746 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:38 pm to
the people in the industry who are worth a F have been saying this for years

unless you have a certain condition or are sodium sensitive, it makes no difference.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20481 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:41 pm to
Generally speaking there is almost 0 evidence that salt actually causes any issues. Salt is one of your 5 tastes, its actually incredibly necessary.

BUT, salt has been proven to be bad for you in high amounts once you already have issues like heart disease.

So again, its not proven to cause anything but is proven to make things worse.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:43 pm to
frick yea

Salted caramel ice cream, here I come
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64601 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:45 pm to
My cardiologist told me a healthy adult should consume 2,500 mg of sodium per day. He wants me to stay around 2,000 mg per day. But the average Alabaman takes in over 9,000 mg per day.
Posted by SaintBrees
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:45 pm to
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You could salt your food as much as you want, it's processed food that gets you. All that sodium and added sugar is terrible for you.



Exactly. You ever seen the average home cook.. cook? They don't salt their food nearly enough for that to be the culprit.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:46 pm to
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You could salt your food as much as you want, it's processed foods that gets you
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that sodium is terrible for you.


Baw....
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 2:46 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:46 pm to
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Well, my cardeologist told me to limit my sodium to less than 2,000 mg per day. Think I'll trust his word over your link.


The number of medical specialist that have not read a medical journal since they left residency would shock you, or as a doctor told me, "I don't care what the studies say, this is what I believe." after which I found a new doctor.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35498 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:46 pm to
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But the average Alabaman takes in over 9,000 mg per day.

Mother of God
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64601 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:48 pm to
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The number of medical specialist that have not read a medical journal since they left residency would shock you, or as a doctor told me, "I don't care what the studies say, this is what I believe." after which I found a new doctor.




I love this place. Where else can you go and find frickers who think they know more than World-class doctors.

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