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re: America's greatest literary critic about to release new book ranking authors
Posted on 5/25/15 at 12:52 pm to LouisianaLady
Posted on 5/25/15 at 12:52 pm to LouisianaLady
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Surprised to see Faulkner on this. I like him, but he's very polarizing.
You mean amongst casual readers? Because my understanding is that he's pretty universally acclaimed as one of the greatest writers to have ever lived, not just American.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 12:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Good list. One glaring omission, which OP also noticed, is Hemingway. He has haters even among literary critics, though.
I don't ever remember reading Stevens or Crane.
I don't ever remember reading Stevens or Crane.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 12:53 pm to LouisianaLady
Faulkner, in my view, is by far the best on this list in terms of providing philosophical insights in his novels.
Addie Bundren's section in As I lay Dying is the finest chapter in all of American literature in this respect.
Addie Bundren's section in As I lay Dying is the finest chapter in all of American literature in this respect.
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That was when I learned that words are no good; that words don’t ever fit even what they are trying to say at. When he was born I knew that motherhood was invented by someone who had to have a word for it because the ones that had the children didn’t care whether there was a word for it or not. I knew that fear was invented by someone that had never had fear; pride, who never had the pride.
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I would think how words go straight up in a thin line, quick and harmless, and how terribly doing goes along the earth, clinging to it, so that after a while the two lines are too far apart for the same person to straddle from one to the other.
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we had had to use one another by words like spiders dangling by their mouths from a beam, swaying and twisting and never touching, and that only through the blows of the switch could my blood and their blood flow as one stream.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 12:56 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:They are 20th century modernist poets. Wallace Stevens, believe it or not, was a conservative business insurance salesman by day. He only wrote poetry on the side, and critics put him right up there with frost.
I don't ever remember reading Stevens or Crane.
I do not particularly care for his poems though. I rarely understood any of them.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 1:02 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Since you did not provide a link to Bloom's book, here you go.
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Bloom in his introduction does not claim to be ranking the greatest American authors, but twelve authors which he describes as representing a certain theme which he calls the "American Sublime" , or American humanism and where he compares two authors to each other in each chapter. He has subjectively chose them as much for their influence as opposed to literary greatness.
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Bloom in his introduction does not claim to be ranking the greatest American authors, but twelve authors which he describes as representing a certain theme which he calls the "American Sublime" , or American humanism and where he compares two authors to each other in each chapter. He has subjectively chose them as much for their influence as opposed to literary greatness.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 1:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I know some wouldn't refer to him as a great writer. He would hesitate to even call himself a "great writer".
Louis L'Amour deserves a spot on this list. I have read and own all of the greats(we have 1700 books in our library right now). Louis was the greatest American storyteller.
I will admit, His books were not hard to read, he wrote for the everyman. Though I must also say his vocabulary and sentence structure was still 100x better than modern writers. His books were inherently serial in nature, and westerns were/are considered on the same level as comic books by most critics.
Thing is, while he wrote westerns, he did it differently than anyone else. His style worked for so many other genres too. Horror, mystery, fantasy,...etc. In fact, his best book was Historical Fiction, The Walking Drum. He could weave elements together in a way that no else could. In The Lonesome Gods, which in my opinion is his second best book, he knits together mystery, love, action, suspense, drama, even throws in a hint of horror.
The truth, wisdom, and knowledge he kneaded into his writing has taught me so much. All of his novels, and many of hos short stories, taught the reader something. If they were intelligent enough to grasp it. Because even he could use subtlety on occasion.
I think that is the goal of every writer. First, to tell a great story. Second, to elicit contemplation from the reader. Third, to teach the reader, about life, and to give them wisdom from the life lived by the author. So that they might learn and grow, or at least, contemplate and think on what was written. Critical thinking has been dying a long slow death in our culture. It has coincided with the growing unpopularity of reading.
His poetry was excellent as well. Surprisingly.
An Ember in the Dark
Louis L'Amour deserves a spot on this list. I have read and own all of the greats(we have 1700 books in our library right now). Louis was the greatest American storyteller.
I will admit, His books were not hard to read, he wrote for the everyman. Though I must also say his vocabulary and sentence structure was still 100x better than modern writers. His books were inherently serial in nature, and westerns were/are considered on the same level as comic books by most critics.
Thing is, while he wrote westerns, he did it differently than anyone else. His style worked for so many other genres too. Horror, mystery, fantasy,...etc. In fact, his best book was Historical Fiction, The Walking Drum. He could weave elements together in a way that no else could. In The Lonesome Gods, which in my opinion is his second best book, he knits together mystery, love, action, suspense, drama, even throws in a hint of horror.
The truth, wisdom, and knowledge he kneaded into his writing has taught me so much. All of his novels, and many of hos short stories, taught the reader something. If they were intelligent enough to grasp it. Because even he could use subtlety on occasion.
I think that is the goal of every writer. First, to tell a great story. Second, to elicit contemplation from the reader. Third, to teach the reader, about life, and to give them wisdom from the life lived by the author. So that they might learn and grow, or at least, contemplate and think on what was written. Critical thinking has been dying a long slow death in our culture. It has coincided with the growing unpopularity of reading.
quote:The Walking Drum by Louis L'Amour
Up to a point a person’s life is shaped by environment, heredity, and changes in the world about them. Then there comes a time when it lies within their grasp to shape the clay of their life into the sort of thing they wish it to be. Only the weak blame parents, their race, their times, lack of good fortune or the quirks of fate. Everyone has the power to say, "This I am today. That I shall be tomorrow
quote:Sackett's Land by Louis L'Amour
I would not sit waiting for some vague tomorrow, nor for something to happen. One could wait a lifetime, and find nothing at the end of the waiting. I would begin here, I would make something happen.
quote:Education of a Wandering Man by Louis L'Amour
I have read my books by many lights, hoarding their beauty, their wit or wisdom against the dark days when I would have no book, nor a place to read. I have known hunger of the belly kind many times over, but I have known a worse hunger: the need to know and to learn.
quote:Louis L'Amour
No one can "get" an education, for of necessity education is a continuing process.
His poetry was excellent as well. Surprisingly.
An Ember in the Dark
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Faintly, along the shadowed shores of night
I saw a wilderness of stars that flamed
And fluttered as they climbed or sank, and shamed
The crouching dark with shyly twinkling light;
I saw them there, odd fragments quaintly bright,
And wondered at their presence there unclaimed,
That faded slow, like hope's arrested flight.
Or vanished suddenly, like futile fears- -
And some were old and worn like precious things
That youth preserves against encroaching years- -
Some disappeared like songs that no man sings,
But one remained- an ember in the dark-
I crouched alone, and blew upon the spark.
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 1:22 pm to OleWar
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Bloom in his introduction does not claim to be ranking the greatest American authors, but twelve authors which he describes as representing a certain theme which he calls the "American Sublime" , or American humanism and where he compares two authors to each other in each chapter. He has subjectively chose them as much for their influence as opposed to literary greatness.
In other words, the ranking is one that is purely based on his own likes and dislikes, wholly biased, and one that in no way should be used to discuss who the greatest American writers were/are.
Which is basically what I figured when I read the OP and what I wrote in my first post. The list and criteria are entirely subjective and, therefore, only bare relevancy insofar as Bloom is considered a great literary critic, whatever that means.
And this means that I give no fricks about this list and no one else should either.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 1:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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They are 20th century modernist poets. Wallace Stevens, believe it or not, was a conservative business insurance salesman by day. He only wrote poetry on the side, and critics put him right up there with frost.
I do not particularly care for his poems though. I rarely understood any of them.
He was in house counsel for an insurance company in Hartford. But by the time he got going, they basically paid to have a great poet staff.
Stevens' poems are very hard to understand, but once you do they are deep, and the language is beautiful.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 1:35 pm to LoveThatMoney
I don't think it has to do with likes or dislikes but an understanding of a uniquely American literary movement that starts with Emerson and branches off into some different directions. I am not going to critique the book yet because I have not read it, but it seems interesting.
Whether you like or agree with the list is perhaps irrelevant (there are a few authors on the list I find a bit odious). One may give a frick as these authors have influenced American history,culture, mores, and politics to such a degree that it is worth some reflection.
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And this means that I give no fricks about this list and no one else should either.
Whether you like or agree with the list is perhaps irrelevant (there are a few authors on the list I find a bit odious). One may give a frick as these authors have influenced American history,culture, mores, and politics to such a degree that it is worth some reflection.
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