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re: Ahmaud Arbery’s killers sentenced to life in prison, two with no chance of parole
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:04 pm to Spook
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:04 pm to Spook
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Ingeriero. Ur wrong. What i am saying is true. look up the states revised statues. u dont know what the fuk ur talking about.
Make the law fit your statement and the facts fo the case:
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and those “rednecks” were making a lawful citizens arrests. A citizen arrest can be made on a misdemeanor or felony regardless if you view the violation or not. Crazy, but the law.
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O.C.G.A. 17-4-60 (2010)
17-4-60. Grounds for arrest
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 10:12 pm
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Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:22 pm to SuperSaint
Agreed! Surprisingly, there are a lot of reasoned and sane posts here today. Those guys got exactly what they deserved.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:35 pm to Spook
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A citizen arrest can be made on a misdemeanor or felony regardless if you view the violation or not. Crazy, but the law. The rednecks attempted to stop the jogger and the jogger veered and approached (actually attacked) the gunman. They struggle over the gun and then he was killed. The redneck had a right to defend himself when someone is trying to take over ur weapon.
They had no reason to arrest him and just assumed that he stole something. That's now how the citizen's arrest law worked in UGA. You have to be certain of a crime with citizen's arrest situations.
I'm sure the victim was no angel, but they chased him down and shot him to death. The jury who saw and heard all the evidence found them guilty of murder, etc.
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 1/7/22 at 11:08 pm to Hot Carl
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I remember this really pissing me off. Should—or could—that D.A. face charges of surprising this to allegedly protect the elder McMichael who they had a prior relationship with?
She's been indicted on this
Posted on 1/8/22 at 12:20 am to Spook
quote::chef's kiss:
u dont know what the fuk ur talking about.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 12:36 am to Spook
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A citizen arrest can be made on a misdemeanor or felony regardless if you view the violation or not.
But that's the problem. They had no evidence that Arbery was committing crimes.
It wasn't a lawful detainment.
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The rednecks attempted to stop the jogger and the jogger veered and approached (actually attacked) the gunman.
If armed strangers surround me, I'm either going to piss my pants, run, fight, or some combination of the three.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 5:37 am to Barbellthor
Nothing I said was inaccurate. It is amazing how people cannot understand the basic reality that two things can be true at once. Arbery was not jogging and up to no good. Also, the ex cop and his kid killed him with no cause. They committed manslaughter/murder (not sure hown Georgia law translates to Louisiana).
If Jacob Blake had died, would that retroactively erase how everything leading up to that moment was his fault? No. In this case, all parties appeared to contribute to the situation, and the McManus guys are ultimately responsible for Arbery's death, as they should be. We do not have to pretend that Arbery was perfect or acted perfectly just to recognize that the guys who killed him behaved horrendously and caused Arbery's death.
They're convicted. Pray for both sides' families. Move on.
If Jacob Blake had died, would that retroactively erase how everything leading up to that moment was his fault? No. In this case, all parties appeared to contribute to the situation, and the McManus guys are ultimately responsible for Arbery's death, as they should be. We do not have to pretend that Arbery was perfect or acted perfectly just to recognize that the guys who killed him behaved horrendously and caused Arbery's death.
They're convicted. Pray for both sides' families. Move on.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 5:57 am to Barbellthor
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Nothing I said was inaccurate. It is amazing how people cannot understand the basic reality that two things can be true at once. Arbery was not jogging and up to no good.
Yeah, it is inaccurate for you to say it's true that Arbery was up to no good because the real truth is that you have no affirmative reason to believe such, nor any affirmative reason to believe he was not jogging. Yours is speculation, not "truth'. The defendants had an entire jury trial to show that Arbery was "up to no good" in any way (thus perhaps justification for their actions), yet they completely failed in that effort. Maybe your speculation is accurate, maybe it's not, but as it stands now it's simply not correct to call it "true".
Posted on 1/8/22 at 6:39 am to Codythetiger
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Wasn't ole ahmaud boy stealing shite? Got his shite settled for life too
No, and you're intellectually and morally deficient for choosing to believe that. I'll pray for you to get better.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 6:40 am to davyjones
quote]The defendants had an entire jury trial to show that Arbery was "up to no good" in any way (thus perhaps justification for their actions), yet they completely failed in that effort. Maybe your speculation is accurate, maybe it's not, but as it stands now it's simply not correct to call it "true".[/quote]
Incorrect. Whether Arbery was up to no good is irrelevant to their trial. They witnessed nothing; therefore, they had no right to apprehend. So it doesn't matter what Arbery was or wasn't doing. He could have murdered someone and they would have had no right to apprehend. At best, they could show what they believed he was doing to show their frame of mind, i.e. lack of intent and/or to present their case of self defense (wouldn't apply that I could imagine).
Regardless, your speculation that he was doing nothing wrong in any way is exactly that--speculation. I've already mentioned a handful of facts that tend to show that Arbery was, in fact, "up to no good." I did not posit it as a proven matter but suggested it was more than rampant speculation, as you claim. As such, I have more of a basis to show that Arbery was "up to no good" than your assumption that he was not. So I do have an "affirmative reason" to believe such. We don't have to ignore certain facts of a case we don't like.
This social groupthink desire to white knight is baffling. You do not have to pretend that one person is a perfect angel to recognize that another did a horrendous thing. We can recognize that the guys committed some form of homicide, perhaps even assuming racist influences. That doesn't mean we have to ignore, you know, the rest of the case. We can also recognize that, sure even if Arbery were scouting the house out, had already burglarized it, was actually just checking it out on a jog, or anything in between, that does not excuse those guys' behavior. When a woman, for example, gets drunk during mardis Gras alone wearing skimpy clothes and gets raped going down a side alley, it is the rapist's fault, AND we can incidentally recognize the foolishness of risk taking behavior. So we need to quit minimizing facts in the name of feeling good.
To reiterate for the millionth time, the father and son and friend are convicted of some form of homicide, and they are responsible for his death. For the people who wondered, yes there is at least some evidence to suggest Arbery was "up to no good," which in no way means he deserved death or absolved the defendants of their actions, even if Arbery were "up to no good." So we need to quit pretending otherwise. Not a difficult concept.
Incorrect. Whether Arbery was up to no good is irrelevant to their trial. They witnessed nothing; therefore, they had no right to apprehend. So it doesn't matter what Arbery was or wasn't doing. He could have murdered someone and they would have had no right to apprehend. At best, they could show what they believed he was doing to show their frame of mind, i.e. lack of intent and/or to present their case of self defense (wouldn't apply that I could imagine).
Regardless, your speculation that he was doing nothing wrong in any way is exactly that--speculation. I've already mentioned a handful of facts that tend to show that Arbery was, in fact, "up to no good." I did not posit it as a proven matter but suggested it was more than rampant speculation, as you claim. As such, I have more of a basis to show that Arbery was "up to no good" than your assumption that he was not. So I do have an "affirmative reason" to believe such. We don't have to ignore certain facts of a case we don't like.
This social groupthink desire to white knight is baffling. You do not have to pretend that one person is a perfect angel to recognize that another did a horrendous thing. We can recognize that the guys committed some form of homicide, perhaps even assuming racist influences. That doesn't mean we have to ignore, you know, the rest of the case. We can also recognize that, sure even if Arbery were scouting the house out, had already burglarized it, was actually just checking it out on a jog, or anything in between, that does not excuse those guys' behavior. When a woman, for example, gets drunk during mardis Gras alone wearing skimpy clothes and gets raped going down a side alley, it is the rapist's fault, AND we can incidentally recognize the foolishness of risk taking behavior. So we need to quit minimizing facts in the name of feeling good.
To reiterate for the millionth time, the father and son and friend are convicted of some form of homicide, and they are responsible for his death. For the people who wondered, yes there is at least some evidence to suggest Arbery was "up to no good," which in no way means he deserved death or absolved the defendants of their actions, even if Arbery were "up to no good." So we need to quit pretending otherwise. Not a difficult concept.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:09 am to Barbellthor
The entire self-defense claim is predicated upon the assertion that they were confronting Arbery by virtue of a lawful citizens arrest. A lawful citizens arrest is predicated upon the assertion that Arbery was "up to no good" by committing some crime within the defendants' immediate knowledge, i.e. Arbery being "up to no good". So yeah, whether Arbery was up to no good was at the center of the trial.
They couldn't show that he was "up to no good" aka committing a crime (a felony, specifically) within their immediate knowledge, thus the attempt at citizens arrest was unlawful, hence an unjustifiable claim of self-defense.
They couldn't show that he was "up to no good" aka committing a crime (a felony, specifically) within their immediate knowledge, thus the attempt at citizens arrest was unlawful, hence an unjustifiable claim of self-defense.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:25 am to davyjones
You must not know the law or did not read my comment. It. Doesn't. Matter. What. Arbery. Was. Doing.
The defendants didn't witness anything, so no right to citizen's arrest. Therefore, guilty.
Arbery could have been mid-murder, and the neighbor had even eye witnessed it, but the defendants did not witness it themselves and they weren't officers, so they had no right to citizen's arrest. So no, Arbery being up to no good is not relevant. He could be up to no good AND the defendants be guilty.
The defendants didn't witness anything, so no right to citizen's arrest. Therefore, guilty.
Arbery could have been mid-murder, and the neighbor had even eye witnessed it, but the defendants did not witness it themselves and they weren't officers, so they had no right to citizen's arrest. So no, Arbery being up to no good is not relevant. He could be up to no good AND the defendants be guilty.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:33 am to TBoy
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TBoy
The only problem I have with these sentences is that they give you something to celebrate.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:34 am to WaWaWeeWa
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’m just saying for a “racist criminal justice system” I see much more serious crimes go unpunished everyday
While I don’t agree our system is “racist”, in this case charges weren’t pressed until months later after the state took over because the city prosecutor was a good ol boy.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:35 am to Barbellthor
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You must not know the law or did not read my comment. It. Doesn't. Matter. What. Arbery. Was. Doing. The defendants didn't witness anything, so no right to citizen's arrest. Therefore, guilty.
Hey hey hey just calm the frick down counselor
The law says: “committed in their presence or within their immediate knowledge”
That means they didn’t have to witness it. For example if someone came running into their house and screamed that their mother was being murdered and they go outside to see someone running away with a bloody knife that would be enough.
I’m not saying they are innocent. I’m just saying your interpretation is wrong.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:39 am to Spook
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This post was edited on 1/8/22 at 7:53 am
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:41 am to Barbellthor
Well good, we're back to where we started to begin with: you affirmatively said Arbery was not legit jogging and was up to no good, to which I responded you're speculating, plain and simple. Just like the defendants were when they decided to pursue him.
But also, to say whether Arbery being up to no good or not is irrelevant is just wrong. The entire thing came into existence precisely because the defendants thought Arbery was up to no good. That's why the chase began, which of course led to the confrontation in the road. Just because they couldn't prove/show the jury that he was up to no good doesn't mean it's not relevant.
But also, to say whether Arbery being up to no good or not is irrelevant is just wrong. The entire thing came into existence precisely because the defendants thought Arbery was up to no good. That's why the chase began, which of course led to the confrontation in the road. Just because they couldn't prove/show the jury that he was up to no good doesn't mean it's not relevant.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:45 am to Spray
Not really. It's over a year old and he was full of shite then...
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:47 am to Spray
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Interesting video.
Lmao I didn’t watch this video but saw some of his when this story broke in 2020.
He gets nearly all of the facts wrong and his interpretation of Georgia law was so laughably off base it seemed intentional.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:49 am to Barbellthor
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The defendants didn't witness anything
Fact
These guys are just fricked up, wanna be heroes. They made assumptions, played supercop and will pay the price.
Their case was high profile so they unfortunately get the max sentence, while the run of the mill hood rat is in and out of prison on violent crimes like he's going through a rotating door.
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