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re: Ahmaud Arbery’s killers sentenced to life in prison, two with no chance of parole

Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:58 am to
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:58 am to
Instead of filming encounter why not call police and let them handle it
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:58 am to
I agree with your assessment. We don’t need people running around trying to make a citizens arrest for nonviolent crimes.

The point I’m trying to make is that the law is vague and it doesn’t specify that you have to witness the crime. It says “or immediate knowledge”. That’s pretty vague.

Everything involved in this case is shitty including the written law which probably needs to be rewritten
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:00 am to
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Everything involved in this case is shitty including


Yep
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36297 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:13 am to
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Their case was high profile so they unfortunately get the max sentence

The same people who spent years wearing "Free Mumia" shirts are the ones calling for max sentences for these guys, all because of the color of their skin and the victim's skin. You either believe in ending mass incarceration or you don't.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262209 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:20 am to
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The same people who spent years wearing "Free Mumia" shirts are the ones calling for max sentences for these guys


Yeah, its pure racial bullshite.

Dudes are guilty, but not life without parole guilty.


Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25907 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:28 am to
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The point I’m trying to make is that the law is vague and it doesn’t specify that you have to witness the crime. It says “or immediate knowledge”. That’s pretty vague.

Everything involved in this case is shitty including the written law which probably needs to be rewritten


There is plenty of case law in GA (can provide the cites if you are interested) that deals with this, more than enough for a judge to make a solid interpretation of the law in his jury instructions. GA courts have held the two terms to be synonymous. The codified law is a little messy but the case law clears it up. Honestly, 50% or more of codified law could use some tweaking but the legislature has to be careful since it often results in unintended consequences like the unintended changes to the WI law regarding minors in possession of firearms.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66538 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:28 am to
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but not life without parole guilty.


Why not? They murdered a guy.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:36 am to
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Yeah, its pure racial bullshite. Dudes are guilty, but not life without parole guilty.


Taking race completely out of it, they hunted a guy down (armed and in trucks), laid in wait for him as he was running away, and then ambushed him. They openly admitted on the stand they had no prior knowledge of him committing an actual crime.

They should absolutely get life without parole.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:37 am to
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Dudes are guilty, but not life without parole guilty.

Maybe you could cry some crocodile tears for the judge and he’ll change his mind.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:44 am to
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Wasn't ole ahmaud boy stealing shite? Got his shite settled for life too


I just haven't seen any convincing evidence he was. He trespassed on a residential construction site, briefly, which places him in the same category as millions of curious teenagers and nosy architects.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262209 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:45 am to

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Why not? They murdered a guy.
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Wasn't premeditated, no previous track record of gun violence.

The severity was based on overly emotional race hucksters.







Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262209 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:46 am to
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Maybe you could cry some crocodile tears for the judge and he’ll change his mind.


You would. Men wouldn't.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262209 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:52 am to
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then ambushed him


It wasn't premeditated murder.

Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
15856 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:54 am to
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Wasn't premeditated


They loaded up in trucks with guns and hunted him down.

They had zero knowledge of any crime other than trespassing. Of which many others had previously done.

Why are you white knighting these racist murderers?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262209 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:56 am to
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Wasn't premeditated
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They loaded up in trucks with guns and hunted him down.


You people need to learn what premeditated means.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99448 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:56 am to
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It wasn't premeditated murder.




So they just wanted to have a nice fireside chat with the man? While tracking him down, fully armed?

Sure, Roger. That’s a stretch even for you.
Posted by WhereisAtlanta
Member since Jun 2016
847 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:57 am to
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It wasn't premeditated murder.





Teah, I mean, We all just randomly hang out on paths mounted up in our steel steeds with shotguns right?
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66538 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:58 am to
I’m curious… How long do you think would be reasonable for these guys to be behind bars?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99448 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:04 am to
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You people need to learn what premeditated means.


They attempted to illegally detain someone. And murdered them in the process. They showed intent to harm by approaching him with firearms in hand and even driving ahead and approaching him when he attempted to run around their caravan. Then they openly admitted in court they had no prior knowledge of him committing a crime.

Yes. That deserves life without parole. This isn’t someone who saw or had direct knowledge of AA committing a felony crime (or even a violent crime I could justify). They admitted they hunted down someone just for showing up in their neighborhood.

frick ‘em.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262209 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:05 am to
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So they just wanted to have a nice fireside chat with the man?



What evidence do you have it was premeditated, outside of your personal bias an inability to see between extremes?
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