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re: 91 Year Old Couple Die in Double Euthanasia

Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:53 pm to
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:53 pm to
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I am curious to what you mean by "abused"


Coaxing spouses or elderly parents to die so that you can get an early inheritance or reap other financial benefits. Essentially, having someone do it for selfish reasons, and not merely no longer wanting to see someone suffer.

I see that there are restrictions and that a healthy individual can't just be euthanized. However, there is a slippery slope here.



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This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59085 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:53 pm to
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By made clear you mean communicated to a handful of people in a now dormant language so that they could tell someone who would tell someone who would write it down so someone could read it later and add it to something so it could be voted on and eventually published?

Crystal. Clear.


But the words of Jesus are in red, baw.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:54 pm to
Selfish jerks.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65974 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:56 pm to
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But the words of Jesus are in red, baw.


Verily verily red...
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:58 pm to
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do it for selfish reasons,


Capacity determinations always involve a physician, there would never be a scenario when lay people make the determination.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18682 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:00 pm to
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Capacity determinations always involve a physician, there would never be a scenario when lay people make the determination.


Right, and no physician has ever accepted money on the side to do something that he shouldn't.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:00 pm to
Death panels? You want Obama deciding when to murder your grandma?
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Communist USA
Member since Nov 2007
12170 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:01 pm to
My parents are going to do this...They are only 78 now and in good health, but I can see it coming.
Posted by biohzrd
Central City
Member since Jan 2010
5611 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:01 pm to
Yet the POS killers on death row, or life sentences get every medical treatment available to keep them alive for years on the tax payers dime... Something seems off here.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:01 pm to
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no physician has ever accepted money on the side to do something that he shouldn't.



That could happen, but in addition to losing your license you could be an accomplice to murder, c'mon
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36721 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:06 pm to

quote:


I see that there are restrictions and that a healthy individual can't just be euthanized. However, there is a slippery slope here


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A last important lesson that can be learnt is that the legalization of euthanasia in the Netherlands did not result in a slippery slope for medical end-of-life practices. Besides religious or principal-based arguments, the slippery slope argument is the mainstay of opponents of the legalization of euthanasia. Briefly, the argument states that: if we allow A (the use euthanasia at the request of terminally ill patients), B (abuse of euthanasia, that is, ending the life of vulnerable patient groups without their consent) will necessarily or very likely follow. B is morally not acceptable; therefore, we must not allow A (Griffiths et al. 1998; van der Burg 1992). Our studies show no evidence of a slippery slope. The frequency of ending of life without explicit patient request did not increase over the studied years. Also, there is no evidence for a higher frequency of euthanasia among the elderly, people with low educational status, the poor, the physically disabled or chronically ill, minors, people with psychiatric illnesses including depression, or racial or ethnic minorities, compared with background populations (Battin et al. 2007).
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Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18682 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:08 pm to
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That could happen, but in addition to losing your license you could be an accomplice to murder, c'mon



People do shady things all the time.

Realistically, I see this being more of a problem with family members pushing this more than physicians running an evil side business.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:39 pm to
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Terrible to take your life early. Jesus made clear he wants us all to suffer till the very end. None of this shortcut shite.


And of course we know that anything Jesus wants must be encoded into the law so that ALL people, not just Christians, can have the benefit of being told what to do by members of one religion.
Posted by HaveMercy
Member since Dec 2014
3000 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 3:01 pm to
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The real reason this isn't even an option is that roughly 40% of medical costs in this nation are spent in your final year or so of life.


Yep. Follow the money.
Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
Member since Dec 2012
27232 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 3:06 pm to
I predict a future where old people are pressured to "choose" euthanasia. I also predict a future where the government healthcare gives it as the only option. We are fricked. And I honestly don't care that I sound like a crazy person to some people.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 3:07 pm
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
7364 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 3:10 pm to
Its considered humane to put an animal to sleep but according to some humans must suffer until their dying breath. I never understood this line of thinking.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2009
13327 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 3:10 pm to
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The wife and I considered this after we left the superdome on January 9th 2012

You spoiled arse LSU fans don't have a clue what suffering is like as we do.

Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 3:17 pm to
Went right over your head, didn't it?
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114047 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 3:29 pm to
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Terrible to take your life early. Jesus made clear he wants us all to suffer till the very end. None of this shortcut shite.


Today the life expectancy is about 10 more years than it was in the 1950s. Antibiotics were not available until after WWI so the life expectancy before then was even shorter.

So are you saying the advancement of medicine has allowed people to "suffer" more.. You are saying "he wants us all to suffer til the very end" does that mean living is suffering?

If someone is brain dead and a machine is the only thing keeping them alive, are they suppose to wait until they die while on a machine?

There are people with cancer who decide to take treatments, knowing they will not be fully healed, but they want to live as long as possible, even if it means they will have to suffer worse than they ever have. In other words, treatment would only prolong their life.. So is it okay to prolong life to suffer?

And when someone has Alzheimer's.. Are they really aware they are suffering? No. So when they are just there wouldn't it be more humane to end their life?
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119512 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 4:40 pm to
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The wife and I considered this after we left the superdome on January 9th 2012


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