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WRs are amongst the most overrated positions in football (it's the system)
Posted on 5/2/15 at 2:48 am
Posted on 5/2/15 at 2:48 am
who won the super bowl last year? who were their best wide out(s)? Answer: Julian Edelman - 7th round. Brandon LaFell - Third round.
who did they play? who were their best wide-out(s)? And they returned to the super bowl after letting who go- their best receiver ? Answers: Doug Baldwin - Undrafted. Jermaine Kearse: Undrafted. SB Winner Leading Receiver: Golden Tate - 2nd round. Now with Detroit.
who were our receivers through the past years? have we had a single one that has been drafted above the third round that has been a team leader in catches? Colston? Graham? Stills? Moore? devery was a late second rounder. our lone WR first rounder in the Payton era aside from cooks was meachem. how did he pan out?
historically speaking, drafting an early wr is amongst the biggest gambles in the league. even when you hit a home-run it guarantees you nothing. ODB blew the frick up. How did the giants do last year? How is Julio Jones paying off for the Falcons? paying them big bucks/wasting draft slots on WRs is ridiculous. QB, OL, DL, DB. That's where winners invest. In some ways it's crazy we ve invested in RB.
our backfield has averaged over a 100 catches every year of the Payton era except one from McAllister/Bush (118) to Bush/Stecker (100+) to Bush/Sproles (136) to Thomas/Sproles (140+). Last year, Thomas Cadet and Ingram still accounted for 100+ catches. Our TEs have averaged 45+ a year since Shockey. It's the system that brings the success.
quit bitching. if you give brees time to throw and a defense that doesn't put us in holes/can protect the lead… we win. plain and simple.. all we need is route runners and a few deep threats. The system will do the rest.
who did they play? who were their best wide-out(s)? And they returned to the super bowl after letting who go- their best receiver ? Answers: Doug Baldwin - Undrafted. Jermaine Kearse: Undrafted. SB Winner Leading Receiver: Golden Tate - 2nd round. Now with Detroit.
who were our receivers through the past years? have we had a single one that has been drafted above the third round that has been a team leader in catches? Colston? Graham? Stills? Moore? devery was a late second rounder. our lone WR first rounder in the Payton era aside from cooks was meachem. how did he pan out?
historically speaking, drafting an early wr is amongst the biggest gambles in the league. even when you hit a home-run it guarantees you nothing. ODB blew the frick up. How did the giants do last year? How is Julio Jones paying off for the Falcons? paying them big bucks/wasting draft slots on WRs is ridiculous. QB, OL, DL, DB. That's where winners invest. In some ways it's crazy we ve invested in RB.
our backfield has averaged over a 100 catches every year of the Payton era except one from McAllister/Bush (118) to Bush/Stecker (100+) to Bush/Sproles (136) to Thomas/Sproles (140+). Last year, Thomas Cadet and Ingram still accounted for 100+ catches. Our TEs have averaged 45+ a year since Shockey. It's the system that brings the success.
quit bitching. if you give brees time to throw and a defense that doesn't put us in holes/can protect the lead… we win. plain and simple.. all we need is route runners and a few deep threats. The system will do the rest.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 3:53 am
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:28 am to LSU Fan 90812
I strongly disagree. You mention Seattle and New England. New England historically drafts well and signs big free agents and they aren't scared to interchange players. They've been riding the arm of one of the best qb's to ever play the game. He made his receivers better.
As far as Seattle, for the past 5 years they have had a top 5 defense along with one of the best running backs in the league. They've leaned on running and time of possession and playing extremely physical. They realized they had a missing piece.. Guess what piece that was?? A big pass catcher (Graham) who they went out and got.
These are things that most other teams don't have. Historically speaking, it's been an offensive minded NFL geared around elite quarterbacks and a high flying offense.
As far as Seattle, for the past 5 years they have had a top 5 defense along with one of the best running backs in the league. They've leaned on running and time of possession and playing extremely physical. They realized they had a missing piece.. Guess what piece that was?? A big pass catcher (Graham) who they went out and got.
These are things that most other teams don't have. Historically speaking, it's been an offensive minded NFL geared around elite quarterbacks and a high flying offense.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:05 am to 337Tigah
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I strongly disagree. You mention Seattle and New England. New England historically drafts well and signs big free agents and they aren't scared to interchange players. They've been riding the arm of one of the best qb's to ever play the game. He made his receivers better.
who is our qb? i guess Brees isn't one of the best QBs to ever play? what have our receivers done after they've left us? come on man.
when was the last time NE drafted a WR in the first round? it hasn't happened. First two rounds? ONCE in the last five years. Third round? twice in the last five years. doesn't it tell you something that the smartest drafting team in football doesn't waste picks on WRs?
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They realized they had a missing piece.. Guess what piece that was?? A big pass catcher (Graham) who they went out and got.
missing to the tune of consecutive super bowls? and one bad play call away from two consecutive championships. I think the graham trade for them will prove to be a bad move.
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As far as Seattle, for the past 5 years they have had a top 5 defense along with one of the best running backs in the league. They've leaned on running and time of possession and playing extremely physical.
which is why we're drafting defense. pass rushers. ILBs. DBs.
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These are things that most other teams don't have. Historically speaking, it's been an offensive minded NFL geared around elite quarterbacks and a high flying offense.
and we have both of those things despite not drafting elite receivers. aren't you making my point? why should we be shitting ourselves about not having a WR again?
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 5:16 am
Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:14 am to LSU Fan 90812
Yea and we had a shite defense and a half arse running game. I'm not saying having just good receivers will win you constant superbowls, but the notion that wide receivers are overrated is just ridiculous. These are all important parts of the game. If you lack one or the other, you damn sure better make up for it elsewhere. Hence Tom Brady, Lynch, Wilson. Don't forget the ridiculous Seattle secondary.
Coach SP found a gem in the later rounds with Colston, who yes, was also made better by having Brees throwing to him.
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and we have both of those things despite not drafting elite receivers. aren't you making my point? why should we be shitting ourselves about not having a WR again?
Coach SP found a gem in the later rounds with Colston, who yes, was also made better by having Brees throwing to him.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 5:15 am
Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:21 am to 337Tigah
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I'm not saying having just good receivers will win you constant superbowls, but the notion that wide receivers are overrated is just ridiculous.
is it though? they used to say the same thing about running backs. now it's common knowledge that running backs have a short shelf life and are practically interchangeable. seahwaks and patriots are showing that WRs are the same.
explain to me why we should be upset the saints aren't wasting picks on WRs instead of building infrastructure.
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2014-
1. Antonio Brown*+ · PIT 129
2. Demaryius Thomas* · DEN 111
3. Julio Jones* · ATL 104
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2013-
1. Pierre Garcon · WAS 113
2. Antonio Brown* · PIT 110
3. Andre Johnson* · HOU 109
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2012 -
1. Calvin Johnson*+ · DET 122
2. Brandon Marshall*+ · CHI 118
Wes Welker* · NWE 118
i see some decent teams. but i also see washington, chicago, houston and atlanta.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 5:27 am
Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:31 am to LSU Fan 90812
I am an absolute believer that if you have a great QB there is no need for drafting high for WR's. It becomes more important to draft OL. Your best player is marginalized if he doesn't have time to pick the defense apart. I think we know this first hand.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:54 am to LSU Fan 90812
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explain to me why we should be upset the saints aren't wasting picks on WRs instead of building infrastructure.
I'm not upset at all. I've been wishing for LB'ers for weeks before the draft. I do however think that if one of our receivers goes down again we will be in trouble. I'm all for adding them through free agency even though we haven't went that route.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:55 am to mojoey
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It becomes more important to draft OL. Your best player is marginalized if he doesn't have time to pick the defense apart. I think we know this first hand.
True, but Brees' stats are still top tier so your statement doesn't really apply here.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:42 am to 337Tigah
While we may not need top 10 picks, I wish we'd give Brees some higher end talent to work with in his twilight years.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:02 am to LSU Fan 90812
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who won the super bowl last year? who were their best wide out(s)?
quote:Is that how you judge the importance of WRs? Who played in the SB last year?
who did they play? who were their best wide-out(s)?
Jesus.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 7:04 am
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:16 am to boom roasted
yes. weirdly I judge recent success (including our own past success) as the model for achieving future success. Jeez.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:20 am to 337Tigah
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True, but Brees' stats are still top tier so your statement doesn't really apply here.
His INT total this year was top tier (or not top tier). However way you want to look at it.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:37 am to LSU Fan 90812
Well shite. Someone should call up the Packers and tell them they're a bunch of morons. Karmapolice said so.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:49 am to LSU Fan 90812
Lots of logic supported with facts in your post. Up voted.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:20 am to LSU Fan 90812
I wonder what other things you could "prove" with a two year sample size.
ETA: Just for fun, I went back and looked at the top 2 receivers for each Superbowl team and checked which round they were drafted. Do with it what you will.
ETA: Just for fun, I went back and looked at the top 2 receivers for each Superbowl team and checked which round they were drafted. Do with it what you will.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 8:34 am
Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:46 am to boom roasted
looks like the beginning of a trend to me. go look back how quickly running backs became over valued. Less than five years.
additionally, the point would also be to look at the number of first round wide receivers taken in early rounds. The number of years in development. and the success of teams taking receivers high.
Additionally, 3 is not a top round pick with regard to pay scale. 3 should be lumped in with the 4-7s. Your list tells me that in the last four years, with the proliferation of spread offenses, only half of the the SB starting receivers were drafted in the top two rounds. If you had done appropriate work. You'd include who lead the team, the one or the two.
additionally, the point would also be to look at the number of first round wide receivers taken in early rounds. The number of years in development. and the success of teams taking receivers high.
Additionally, 3 is not a top round pick with regard to pay scale. 3 should be lumped in with the 4-7s. Your list tells me that in the last four years, with the proliferation of spread offenses, only half of the the SB starting receivers were drafted in the top two rounds. If you had done appropriate work. You'd include who lead the team, the one or the two.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 8:59 am
Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:54 am to LSU Fan 90812
quote:lol
If you had done appropriate work. You'd include who lead the team, the one or the two.
You'll figure it out.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:57 am to boom roasted
oh ye wise football sage trying to teach the conventional of draft a receiver high?
you're counting bargains like Randy Moss in 2007 as a number 1 pick on a bargain bin contract. You prove my points rather than yours.
you're counting bargains like Randy Moss in 2007 as a number 1 pick on a bargain bin contract. You prove my points rather than yours.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:06 am to boom roasted
additionally I d like to point out that our starting receiver set is (1, 7) with 7 being the proven commodity if that makes you feel better.
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