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re: Would you be willing to be absolutely terrible for 2-3 years to blow it all up and rebuild
Posted on 10/23/23 at 1:27 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 10/23/23 at 1:27 pm to LSUFanHouston
if we draft well and take some cap hits over the next couple years we might not be much worse than we've been the past two seasons.
i had it in my head that jj mccarthy might fall to us in the 1st round, but now i doubt it. would be all for taking pratt from tulane int he later rounds. he's a better pro prospect than everyone out side of williams, maye and mccarthy. penix is a good player, but he looks just like teddy bridgewater. marginal arm strength. nix still can't read a defense.
hopefully carr can turn it around, and i hope he does, i just wouldn't put money on it at this point.
the saints future is mortgaged with guys who need to be retiring after this season, but are hanging around because we keep kicking the can down the road. it's gonna happen again this off-season and the next and the next because extending these guys is the only way for us to keep getting under the cap. we can't even cut enough people to get under the cap. gonna need to eat some contracts and let some guys go after the 24 season.
i had it in my head that jj mccarthy might fall to us in the 1st round, but now i doubt it. would be all for taking pratt from tulane int he later rounds. he's a better pro prospect than everyone out side of williams, maye and mccarthy. penix is a good player, but he looks just like teddy bridgewater. marginal arm strength. nix still can't read a defense.
hopefully carr can turn it around, and i hope he does, i just wouldn't put money on it at this point.
the saints future is mortgaged with guys who need to be retiring after this season, but are hanging around because we keep kicking the can down the road. it's gonna happen again this off-season and the next and the next because extending these guys is the only way for us to keep getting under the cap. we can't even cut enough people to get under the cap. gonna need to eat some contracts and let some guys go after the 24 season.
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Posted on 10/23/23 at 2:44 pm to LSUFanHouston
Absolutely, we should be a couple of years into this process already and would maybe have some hope in the next couple of years. It’s painful, but this is the only way to get cap under control and have a real chance at a gamechanger early in the draft.
It seems our brass is ok doubling down on mediocrity instead which is even worse. We have that to look forward to and probably not a real playoff contending team until the 2030s it we’re lucky.
Fun times.
It seems our brass is ok doubling down on mediocrity instead which is even worse. We have that to look forward to and probably not a real playoff contending team until the 2030s it we’re lucky.
Fun times.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 2:50 pm to Starchild
Of course. Should have been done as soon as Brees retired.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:21 pm to kingbob
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I am not convinced the roster is the problem.
This, all day long.
One competent off-season (including some coaching changes) and we're top tier contenders
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:22 pm to USA Dan
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One competent off-season (including some coaching changes) and we're top tier contenders
Both our lines need to improve dramatically for that to be true IMHO
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:30 pm to USA Dan
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One competent off-season (including some coaching changes) and we're top tier contenders
nope. that ship has sailed due to our cap hit now.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:30 pm to USA Dan
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This, all day long. One competent off-season (including some coaching changes) and we're top tier contenders
I keep seeing this and I’m really struggling to understand this sentiment. Do y’all watch other teams? Just in the NFC you have the Eagles and 49ers with elite rosters that are much younger and talented than ours. Then you have Cowboys, Lions and Seattle that are clearly better than us. I don’t see any way we win a playoff game with this roster.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:36 pm to higgsBoson
Our defense is solid.
We have the RB's
We have the WR's
We have the TE's
We need O-line help desperately.
We have the RB's
We have the WR's
We have the TE's
We need O-line help desperately.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:47 pm to USA Dan
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Our defense is solid. We have the RB's We have the WR's We have the TE's We need O-line help desperately.
49ers and Eagles have significantly better WR and RB and much younger. They also have stout defenses, good lines and legit QBs. There’s not a single position group we’re clearly better than them.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:51 pm to USA Dan
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:53 pm to LEASTBAY
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We should have done this a few years ago.
This.
If we had done this years ago like we should have, we'd be on the front end of a young and upcoming team.
But instead, we made matters worse and for what? A bunch of fringe playoff seasons and continued mediocrity?
Question is, when this team inevitably wins 9 games and somehow makes the playoffs (and gets blown out in the first round), does ownership have the dick to fire Allen and move on?
My gut feeling on that is no, and we will continue this ridiculous cycle of being not awfully terrible but nowhere near great.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 4:00 pm to LSUFanHouston
I mean we are on year 2 of absolutely terrible already
Posted on 10/23/23 at 4:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
It's what needs to happen but won't. They will try to remain relevant going 7-10 to 9-8 and get middle of the road draft picks.
Saints should go 3-14 at best for the next 4 years. Trading down most picks unless there is a can't miss prospect to build around. I'm not talking about just QB position either. After 4 years, the cap should be in great shape and there should be a stockpile of picks.
Any coaching staff should be able to work with that abd it should attract a decent one.
BUT, instead here's to decades of mediocrity at best.
Saints should go 3-14 at best for the next 4 years. Trading down most picks unless there is a can't miss prospect to build around. I'm not talking about just QB position either. After 4 years, the cap should be in great shape and there should be a stockpile of picks.
Any coaching staff should be able to work with that abd it should attract a decent one.
BUT, instead here's to decades of mediocrity at best.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 4:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
It’s going to be 5-7 years maybe longer if we keep doing the same shite as now
Posted on 10/23/23 at 4:37 pm to Fat Bastard
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years of rebuild time is nothing like spending decades in mediocrity.
You, I think you (not sure how old you are), and I spent decades dreaming of mediocrity. I'll take 2 to 3 years of awful (or mediocrity) if it translates into being good once again. I don't want mediocrity for long stretches.
I would love it if Allen somehow turned it around, but I am not hopeful.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 4:48 pm to mdomingue
Not that the product is good now - but, if we do tank for years my interest will be next to zero. My capacity to watch something like the Bears for years is just not there. I do get it is cool for message board draft guys and such.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Would you be willing to be absolutely terrible for 2-3 years to blow it all up and rebuild
I'd be ecstatic to see this done. We couldn't be so lucky.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:10 pm to moneyg
We could have a QB like baker mayfield at $5M and took some dead cap this year but the front office was desperate to prove that hiring Allen was the best choice so they doubled down and got Carr. Basically the same ingredients that helped the raiders go 4-12 multiple times.
It doesn’t matter what we want. Saints gonna suuuuuuck for a while
It doesn’t matter what we want. Saints gonna suuuuuuck for a while
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
Yes - we are in salary cap hell, nothing we can do
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:12 pm to NIH
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if we do tank for years my interest will be next to zero.
Understood, probably for me as well. I think the perception is that two to three years is what it will take to get out from under our cap issues. Not sure it would take more than one or two myself.
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