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Why the change in RB philosophy?
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:16 pm
Payton found success in the first half of his career bringing in nobodies and UDFAs like Pierre Thomas, Chris Ivory, Khiry Robinson, Tavaris Cadet, etc.. Now it’s all rejects and seemingly washed out veterans like Tim Hightower, Adrian Peterson, Terence West and Shane Vereen.
What caused the shift? Which do you prefer?
What caused the shift? Which do you prefer?
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:19 pm to lsutigers1992
We have the best rb tandem in the league. Whatever change he made, I support it.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:30 pm to lsutigers1992
You’re a pretty simple guy huh
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:41 pm to lsutigers1992
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bringing in nobodies
Boston Scott...mark my words
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:56 pm to lsutigers1992
For some reason I think their strategy remains the same, just evaluate and sign/select the best available talent…
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:58 pm to lsutigers1992
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UDFAs like Pierre Thomas, Chris Ivory, Khiry Robinson, Tavaris Cadet
Only one of these guys truly did anything for us. And never forget, we drafted Antonio Pittman. I'd say it was more luck than a strategy or philosophy.
We're only bringing in veterans because of Ingram's suspension.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:00 pm to lsutigers1992
We had arguably our best rushing year under the payton era last year and youre going to shite on his 'philosophy' now?
hightower played well for us.
AP didnt work out
West and Vereen havent even played a down yet
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Now it’s all rejects and seemingly washed out veterans like Tim Hightower, Adrian Peterson, Terence West and Shane Vereen.
hightower played well for us.
AP didnt work out
West and Vereen havent even played a down yet
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:04 pm to lsutigers1992
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What caused the shift? Which do you prefer?
I prefer guys who can play and play well.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:30 pm to NOSA
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Only one of these guys truly did anything for us
Don't diss my boy Chris Ivory like that
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Thank you for your service Chris
Posted on 7/19/18 at 3:24 am to lsutigers1992
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Payton found success in the first half of his career bringing in nobodies and UDFAs like Pierre Thomas, Chris Ivory, Khiry Robinson, Tavaris Cadet, etc.. Now it’s all rejects and seemingly washed out veterans like Tim Hightower, Adrian Peterson, Terence West and Shane Vereen. What caused the shift? Which do you prefer?
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:13 am to lsutigers1992
Kamara and Ingram weren't UDFA's and they were more successful than anyone we've had.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:38 am to lsutigers1992
Wow, I’m not sure if this is a troll or not.
Anyone remember, Deuce, Reggie Bush, Mike Bell, Aaron Stecker, Julius Jones and Darren Sproles?
Anyone remember, Deuce, Reggie Bush, Mike Bell, Aaron Stecker, Julius Jones and Darren Sproles?
Posted on 7/19/18 at 8:41 am to lsutigers1992
The same year we got PT was the same year we drafted Pittman in the 4th (iirc he was rated higher but slipped slightlt due to some character issues). We just simply kept the best back.
The year before that we drafted Bush 2nd overall.
In 2011 we traded up to draft Ingram in the first.
And I don't give a frick what some people may think of them, but KRob and Cadet were not good backs.
KRob had one really good run, and could get a few tough yards here and there, but he wasn't a good pass catcher or blocker.
Cadet couldn't run for shite and was a very mediocre receiver because he had basically no yac yards. 5 yards and down about everytime.
So the only two truly good backs we hit on as UDFAs were Thomas and Ivory, and Ivory was always getting banged up and it took him years (sometime after being with us) to develop into a decent blocker.
We've had more success in the draft than with UDFAs (3-2 for actually good talent). We've used both over the years, but we have not had any kind of shift in philosophy.
Edit:
As for the vets for depth, we've been bringing them in BECAUSE we haven't hit on any UDFA HBs. We've brought in at least one every year and haven't found any worth a shite since KRob, nor any actual good ones since Ivory. That's not for lack of trying though.
Plus as mentioned above we've had our fair share of veteran depth throughout the years also, plus one really good vet in Sproles.
The year before that we drafted Bush 2nd overall.
In 2011 we traded up to draft Ingram in the first.
And I don't give a frick what some people may think of them, but KRob and Cadet were not good backs.
KRob had one really good run, and could get a few tough yards here and there, but he wasn't a good pass catcher or blocker.
Cadet couldn't run for shite and was a very mediocre receiver because he had basically no yac yards. 5 yards and down about everytime.
So the only two truly good backs we hit on as UDFAs were Thomas and Ivory, and Ivory was always getting banged up and it took him years (sometime after being with us) to develop into a decent blocker.
We've had more success in the draft than with UDFAs (3-2 for actually good talent). We've used both over the years, but we have not had any kind of shift in philosophy.
Edit:
As for the vets for depth, we've been bringing them in BECAUSE we haven't hit on any UDFA HBs. We've brought in at least one every year and haven't found any worth a shite since KRob, nor any actual good ones since Ivory. That's not for lack of trying though.
Plus as mentioned above we've had our fair share of veteran depth throughout the years also, plus one really good vet in Sproles.
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 8:45 am
Posted on 7/19/18 at 8:47 am to lsutigers1992
I dont think it is a change in philosophy.
It is just hard to find those guys. We got lucky
We've also have taken RBs high in the draft, starting with Reggioe Bush at 2 overall, plus Antonio Pittman, and traded up for Mark Ingram & Kamara
It is just hard to find those guys. We got lucky
We've also have taken RBs high in the draft, starting with Reggioe Bush at 2 overall, plus Antonio Pittman, and traded up for Mark Ingram & Kamara
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:08 am to lsutigers1992
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Terence West
A lot of folks seem to be hatin on this guy...I think he has the potential to be a solid addition. Baltimore's offense was poo....ours is not.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:08 am to lsutigers1992
Man you ask tough questions.
Lets see washed up rejects or the best running back duo in the league who set all kinds of records last year...hmmmmm.
Boy I just can't choose. Hey how about you pick
Lets see washed up rejects or the best running back duo in the league who set all kinds of records last year...hmmmmm.
Boy I just can't choose. Hey how about you pick
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:33 am to lsutigers1992
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UDFAs
Are rejects as well
Posted on 7/19/18 at 11:14 am to lsutigers1992
We had two probowl running backs last year, bro. 
Vereen is stop gap until Ingram is back from suspension. He's replacing Lasco. Do you really think replacing Lasco with Vereen is a terrible idea? We also drafted Boston Scott. I'm fine with RB management from this staff.
Vereen is stop gap until Ingram is back from suspension. He's replacing Lasco. Do you really think replacing Lasco with Vereen is a terrible idea? We also drafted Boston Scott. I'm fine with RB management from this staff.
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