re: Why I think we shouldn't trade for Malcolm Butler

Exactly. I'm not sure why people think rookies come in and shine right away, esp. at CB.

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Seems smarter for me to use FA money on areas where the draft is weak, not where the draft is strong.

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On who?

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On who?

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That was my whole point also. Who do we spend it on to help us win now?

And everyone saying we should have signed Gilmore or Bouye, you do realize we were in on one but that FAs get to pick where they go right?

I mean we can't force them to sign here, as much as we may have wanted.

As far the Pats choosing Gilmore argument, it is because they are very familiar with him and they feel there will be little to no drop off from Butler, and they can use Butler to get something they don't have: a first or second round pick.

They aren't letting him go because he sucks. They are letting him go because they knew they could get a high pick for him, so you pay a FA instead.

And a FA is going to choose the Pats over just about any team if they money is even close to equal. They know this and use it to their advantage all the time.

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Yeah but what the saints should have done was sign bouye and kept their picks.
Pretty sure bouye would have signed with us over Jacksonville.

Then if u don't get bouye u pay that 780,000$ and then get the deal done why u have the leverage.
The Patriots did the exact thing the saints did. They signed Gilmore and used Butler as trade bait to get picks. We should have signed a top CB and we could have kept the picks we got back for cooks . It just sucks cause they do the same shite over and over every yr

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Someone had linked on here a few weeks ago that the patriots told Butler they wouldn't pay over 10m for a cb. I have no idea if that's true, but if it is then it's pretty telling to me that they would give an outsider who is of the same age this massive deal over the guy they have molded in their system for years now.

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Except they paid Revis more than 10 million a year.

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Sure he might not be an All Pro here, but he might be and at the least he's as good if not better than Breaux and that's worth a 32.

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agreed. If he can come in and pay like Keenin Lewis (at the minimum), yes give him the money. We need a young proven guy.

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and plenty of upper end CB picks that have been total flops or not starter material... a quick review of recent upper end 1st Rd failures- 2015 #11 Trae Waynes still not a starter in Minny 2014 #8 Justin Gilbert can't even find a job now, many say he just wanted the money and DGAF 2013 #9 Dee Milliner flamed out and cannot get a job either #12 DJ Hayden, Raiders didnt even pick up his 5th year, one year deal in Detroit to try again 2012 # 6 Claiborne you all know, more the injury bug but still Dallas said no more after 5 years. Trying on a one year deal with NYJ

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Where is the detail of early round successes? Some that come to mind over the last few years are Ramsey, Bradberry, Hargreaves, Peters, Verrett, Trufant, Rhodes, Alford, Ryan, Roby, Breeland. Most of them turned out pretty well.

You can't even assume Tre is an upgrade to PJ.

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I'm pretty surprised this deal hasn't happened. I know they have a few weeks before they have to shite or get off the pot, but I'm still surprised they don't want to just get this over with and move one with everyone's lives

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I agree. It seemed imminent when SP started praising Butler in the media. BH said he would be a Saint on a particular day last week. As such, I would have expected it to be done by now. Curious as to what the latest is on the deal.