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Why does "need" really matter for this team?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:13 am
Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:13 am
The age old question of "BPA" v "need" always rears its ugly head every offseason. During the Payton era, the Saints would always try to fill every need so they could just go with what they considered to be the best talent available in the draft. That has, for a variety of reasons, seemed to be less of a stress point in the DA era as they have definitely been a bit more predictable and gone after need positions.
This year is the most extreme I can recall, as they did very little to address big needs in FA. They have a massive gaping huge need at OL that is dire, and some really big needs at DT, WR, S (and some would say RB, DE/Rush).
That would lead to the point that we MUST address all of our Needs in the Draft. To which I ask...why?
If you believe, like I do, that this team simply is not going anywhere anytime soon, especially with DA as HC and Carr at QB, that we are stuck as a treadmill team for the time being...what would addressing needs with rookies matter? Would it make a real difference in terms of winning games this year and the following year?
The biggest problems with this team are that they are old, expensive, and lack talent. There is so little young high end talent on this team that it hurts. We need to be thinking about getting STAR players that will be on this team and balling for the next 7-8 years, instead of filling in a gap now.
I know people are going to hate that, because fans in general hate the whole "BPA" philosophy, and the Saints have struck out on it a few times.
My only point here is that we shouldn't think short term. This team needs TALENT. It needs freaking stars. Taking players that might not be as talented just because they are at a position of need is not the way to go. We aren't good enough IMO for it to matter. If Need and BPA align great
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This year is the most extreme I can recall, as they did very little to address big needs in FA. They have a massive gaping huge need at OL that is dire, and some really big needs at DT, WR, S (and some would say RB, DE/Rush).
That would lead to the point that we MUST address all of our Needs in the Draft. To which I ask...why?
If you believe, like I do, that this team simply is not going anywhere anytime soon, especially with DA as HC and Carr at QB, that we are stuck as a treadmill team for the time being...what would addressing needs with rookies matter? Would it make a real difference in terms of winning games this year and the following year?
The biggest problems with this team are that they are old, expensive, and lack talent. There is so little young high end talent on this team that it hurts. We need to be thinking about getting STAR players that will be on this team and balling for the next 7-8 years, instead of filling in a gap now.
I know people are going to hate that, because fans in general hate the whole "BPA" philosophy, and the Saints have struck out on it a few times.
My only point here is that we shouldn't think short term. This team needs TALENT. It needs freaking stars. Taking players that might not be as talented just because they are at a position of need is not the way to go. We aren't good enough IMO for it to matter. If Need and BPA align great
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:16 am to Fun Bunch
There is no such thing as drafting BPA. Mike D talks about that all the time. It is drafting BPA for your team needs. The Saints have always been very open about they only draft guys that they have a vision for. That vision is never about being the best player ever. People point to Deuce as being BPA, but forget that Mueller and Haslett inherited Williams and all his problems and were probably already planning to move on from him. Deuce did drop into their laps, but they didn't pick him in a vacuum.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:17 am to Fun Bunch
100% agree Bunch. I get OL is our biggest need technically but I don’t want to force a pick to satisfy that need. If you think a guy is going to be elite potentially but he’s a DT, S, DB, etc, take him. Which is why it’d be hard to pass up on Bowers potentially if he’s there.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 9:19 am
Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:19 am to saints5021
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There is no such thing as drafting BPA. Mike D talks about that all the time. It is drafting BPA for your team needs. The Saints have always been very open about they only draft guys that they have a vision for. That vision is never about being the best player ever. People point to Deuce as being BPA, but forget that Mueller and Haslett inherited Williams and all his problems and were probably already planning to move on from him. Deuce did drop into their laps, but they didn't pick him in a vacuum.
Everything is a factor. Testing, play, character, team need, scheme fit
The Saints draft in pods in the past, where they have tiers and a few players in each pod or tier. Need is one of the big factors they use to differentiate within the pod.
I'm talking about situations where a guy is in a higher ranked pod, and passing on him because he's not a OL or something.
This team needs to hit on this draft with real, high end talent, for there to be a light at the end of the tunnel.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:29 am to Fun Bunch
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f you believe, like I do, that this team simply is not going anywhere anytime soon, especially with DA as HC and Carr at QB, that we are stuck as a treadmill team for the time being...what would addressing needs with rookies matter?
No matter how true this may be, you can't expect DA and Loomis to just give up on their jobs.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:11 am to Fun Bunch
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If you believe, like I do, that this team simply is not going anywhere anytime soon, especially with DA as HC and Carr at QB, that we are stuck as a treadmill team for the time being...what would addressing needs with rookies matter? Would it make a real difference in terms of winning games this year and the following year? The biggest problems with this team are that they are old, expensive, and lack talent. There is so little young high end talent on this team that it hurts. We need to be thinking about getting STAR players that will be on this team and balling for the next 7-8 years, instead of filling in a gap now.
Well said. Just get great players. If one is an olineman who can be established for a year or two for our next qb under a new coach as we hopefully get right money wise even better. Or even a clear franchise defensive player, great. Just get somebody that’s going to be a star on a second contract here after 5 years and I don’t care what position they play.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 10:12 am
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:13 am to Handsome Pete
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No matter how true this may be, you can't expect DA and Loomis to just give up on their jobs.
Which is the very frustrating part. Just seems like we’re in for another lame duck season or so.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:27 am to Fun Bunch
BPA is subjective. Just because you’re an elite athlete in college doesn’t mean you necessarily fit into an nfl system. You don’t often see RBs, TEs, or ILBs taken as early as other positions. Some positions are more valuable and will always be in higher demand than others. There’s a reason why the 5th best OT will be drafted before the best overall MLB and it has zero to do with who is better at their respective position, or who’s the best BPA.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:35 am to Fun Bunch
I think under either mindset, we have to go OT. Just too thin there.
Only exception is Daniels or Maye dropping to us. That won't happen though
Only exception is Daniels or Maye dropping to us. That won't happen though
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:44 am to jcaz
Let's say both Alt and Fashanu have been drafted, but you can draft any other OL.
Or Dallas Turner.
Or Dallas Turner.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:04 am to Fun Bunch
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Let's say both Alt and Fashanu have been drafted, but you can draft any other OL.
Or Dallas Turner.
I'd hope they draft an OL in that situation. Just because I now expect them to screw up every edge rusher they draft, Whether its the round peg in a square hole, or injury issues; I am fully confident in this staff screwing up that position more than any other
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:18 pm to Fun Bunch
There are at least 3 OL I’d draft over Fashanu.
I’d draft Fautanu > Fashanu.
Fautanu is the better player. Fashanu is getting a lot of hype by draft nerds because he seems like the more typical LT.
I’d draft Fautanu > Fashanu.
Fautanu is the better player. Fashanu is getting a lot of hype by draft nerds because he seems like the more typical LT.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:44 pm to Handsome Pete
Depends how you define the duties of their job. If it is just “win”, then I think that is short sighted. The focus should always be trying to win but doing so with a realistic evaluation of players, how to develop players, state of the roster vs competition, and future realistic goals.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:46 pm to jcaz
I’ve heard so much negativity about D Maye that I wouldn’t want him even if he fell to 14. I think we do not have the right environment for him to develop. He’s seems closer to a project than a ready made star
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:54 pm to Fun Bunch
Blind BPA is retarded. You need to pick the best player available at a position of need or trade back if you don’t think there is anyone good left at those positions.
No one is drafting an offensive tackle in the 1st round if they already have two studs at offensive tackle. If you think you don’t need the guy who is currently the best player on your board then trade back.
No one is drafting an offensive tackle in the 1st round if they already have two studs at offensive tackle. If you think you don’t need the guy who is currently the best player on your board then trade back.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:57 pm to cbree88
K, what positions would you consider the Saints have no need for at all in the 1st round? Center?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:05 pm to Fun Bunch
The Saints have needs throughout the roster at the present time, and so I would be ok with any position. The roster stinks on ice because of mismanagement over the years from Sean Payton, Mickey Loomis, and Dennis Allen.
The Kansas City Chiefs are a good example of what I’m talking about. They have Pat Mahomes in his prime and so they’re not picking a QB in the 1st round even if he’s at the top of their draft board.
The Kansas City Chiefs are a good example of what I’m talking about. They have Pat Mahomes in his prime and so they’re not picking a QB in the 1st round even if he’s at the top of their draft board.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:24 pm to High Life
I agree with BPA being subjective.
I think that you rank the players and see how the board falls. I think the Saints biggest need is the OL. They probably need to spend their top 2 picks on a OT and OG.
But they are drafting 14th. Say the Michigan QB was still there then you trade down or take him.
I think that you rank the players and see how the board falls. I think the Saints biggest need is the OL. They probably need to spend their top 2 picks on a OT and OG.
But they are drafting 14th. Say the Michigan QB was still there then you trade down or take him.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:25 pm to tigerterrace
If McCarthy is there I am listening to every offer that comes in.
He won't be though
He won't be though
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:41 pm to Fun Bunch
I think the Vikings are going to be the team that trades up cuz they have 11 and 23.
I don't know if it's going to be McCarthy though.
I don't know if it's going to be McCarthy though.
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