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re: Who's jacked about Kamara?
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:12 am to bonethug0108
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:12 am to bonethug0108
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Edge was far from our only problem and not nearly the main reason we went 7-9. It was just part of the issue.
2016: 27th in sacks
2015: 25th in sacks
2014: 25th in sacks
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Coverage was way more troublesome, and we gave up so many quick underneath passes the rush never had time to get home. It was a repeat of 2014.
at least we have the injury excuse for our DBs. Our DE's straight up lacked talent.
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Between Kikaha, Okafor, and Onyemata they can cobble together a good rush provided the coverage is improved
Okafor should be a stop gap.
Kikaha CANNOT be counted on
Onyematta CANNOT be counted on
These guys cannot be counted on, spinmaster.
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Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:14 am to Lester Earl
LOL at any mention of Kikaha, he'll be playing on two peg legs by midseason.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:24 am to Lester Earl
i think kamara is a vanity pick but it may be great value. i hate trading our future though, esp for offensive players
i think RDE is going to be a platoon and our improved secondary should allow more pressure. as we all know, i'm a "build the secondary and sacks will come" guy. plus we do have an elite DE in cam and a potentially great DT duo in rankins/fairley
i think rolling out a secondary that isn't filled with guys off the street will give that extra second or two that will allow the pass rush to improve greatly. there was one super elite pass rusher in this draft and he went #1. the rest are capped, and when you get past barnett and taco the next 10 are all grouped together and most were OLB rush guys for a 3-4
anzalone is a question mark but he could become a really good WLB, esp if our DTs take that step that we expect. he's a seek-and-destroy WLB guy who could be very productive and play in coverage downs. now his injuries are a big deal and we don't have a good track record of those guys panning out
i think RDE is going to be a platoon and our improved secondary should allow more pressure. as we all know, i'm a "build the secondary and sacks will come" guy. plus we do have an elite DE in cam and a potentially great DT duo in rankins/fairley
i think rolling out a secondary that isn't filled with guys off the street will give that extra second or two that will allow the pass rush to improve greatly. there was one super elite pass rusher in this draft and he went #1. the rest are capped, and when you get past barnett and taco the next 10 are all grouped together and most were OLB rush guys for a 3-4
anzalone is a question mark but he could become a really good WLB, esp if our DTs take that step that we expect. he's a seek-and-destroy WLB guy who could be very productive and play in coverage downs. now his injuries are a big deal and we don't have a good track record of those guys panning out
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think kamara is a vanity pick but it may be great value. i hate trading our future though, esp for offensive players
hey i love the fit in our offense, and honestly I think it was maybe their best value of trading up in this regimes history. If they think Kamara is a 2nd round talent, and give up a 2nd next year, that is good value esp only giving up a 7th to do that.
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i think RDE is going to be a platoon and our improved secondary should allow more pressure. as we all know, i'm a "build the secondary and sacks will come" guy. plus we do have an elite DE in cam and a potentially great DT duo in rankins/fairley
i have no problem with the secondary picks. I love both of those guys. Anzalone threw a wrench into my vision. 76 should have been an edge player. 4 went within the 8 picks after. Patriots, Baltimore and Carolina were 3 of the teams that took one, all who have historically drafted well(or much, much much better then us) on defense. So im sure we'll be hearing those names at some point down the line.
Masking a deficiency at LB is easier to mask then DE.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:34 am to bonethug0108
quote:we should cut Fleener and sign Barnidge
He had maybe 5, and like 3 of those were very early in the year. Let's not go ridiculous with hyperbole.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:36 am to Lester Earl
i think the issue is if we went edge there, what WLB guys were going to be around at 39
our OLBs are dogshit just like our RDE
the question is if the gap b/w Hendrickson and Azalone is bigger than Azalone and the WLBs late in the 3rd, then adjust the value of the positions. i think all the edge guys were flawed in the 3rd and Hendrickson's flaws aren't any bigger of a concern than the other guys
like Rivers v. Hendrickson...i don't think the gap is as big as many people on here are making it out to be. both are guys from the lower level who have good HWS and production at lower levels. i do think TH is more suited to a 4-3 long-term
our OLBs are dogshit just like our RDE
the question is if the gap b/w Hendrickson and Azalone is bigger than Azalone and the WLBs late in the 3rd, then adjust the value of the positions. i think all the edge guys were flawed in the 3rd and Hendrickson's flaws aren't any bigger of a concern than the other guys
like Rivers v. Hendrickson...i don't think the gap is as big as many people on here are making it out to be. both are guys from the lower level who have good HWS and production at lower levels. i do think TH is more suited to a 4-3 long-term
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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the question is if the gap b/w Hendrickson and Azalone is bigger than Azalone and the WLBs late in the 3rd, then adjust the value of the positions. i think all the edge guys were flawed in the 3rd and Hendrickson's flaws aren't any bigger of a concern than the other guys
would have like to see 2 edge guys selected and let itself work out.
They think Klein can play every LB spot. Pretty sure Robertson is flexible there too. They could have chosen Cunningham earlier in the draft. I mean by pick 76 you had put off edge for 4 picks. It wasnt time to pick an LB, imo
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:56 am to Lester Earl
i'm not really disagreeing
my biggest issue is that we already made one vanity pick in Kamara...following it up with another one in Anzalone immediately after is a huge risk
who were the edge guys who were realistic there?
Tim Williams
Rivers
i don't think Basham or Hall fit what we're looking for. they're more LDE-types
how big of a difference is there b/w Rivers and TH?
i wouldn't have minded Williams but he'd be insanely limited in our scheme. purely a 3rd down only pass rusher. watching him play, he looks like a safety playing DL. he's just so thin on the field. he's a 100% pass rush and nothing else guy
my biggest issue is that we already made one vanity pick in Kamara...following it up with another one in Anzalone immediately after is a huge risk
who were the edge guys who were realistic there?
Tim Williams
Rivers
i don't think Basham or Hall fit what we're looking for. they're more LDE-types
how big of a difference is there b/w Rivers and TH?
i wouldn't have minded Williams but he'd be insanely limited in our scheme. purely a 3rd down only pass rusher. watching him play, he looks like a safety playing DL. he's just so thin on the field. he's a 100% pass rush and nothing else guy
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:59 am to Lester Earl
It's alright Les, we're gonna sign Greg Hardy's retarded arse after he plays in the summer league and everything will be A OK! 
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:01 am to WicKed WayZ
let me also say that i have a lot more faith in Okafor being serviceable than many on here
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:14 am to BilJ
Anyone not hyped about kamara is missing the point. He's gonna ball out in Payton's offense.
Dude was an animal when he got the ball in college. Does everything well. I think he should be fantastic.
Dude was an animal when he got the ball in college. Does everything well. I think he should be fantastic.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:49 am to HMTVBrian2
back to Kamara...
Rather than Sproles or Bush, I see more Devonta Freeman toughness. Kamara had 184 carries last year. I see a toughness for more than that. Freeman topped out at 173 carries at FlaSt but he has averaged 246 carries the past two seasons in ATL. I believe Kamara has legit potential to not just be a satellite back but a more primary carrier like Freeman. I'm not down on Ingram but his future will be uncertain as a 29yo free agent in 2019. Kamara might make that an easy transition.
Rather than Sproles or Bush, I see more Devonta Freeman toughness. Kamara had 184 carries last year. I see a toughness for more than that. Freeman topped out at 173 carries at FlaSt but he has averaged 246 carries the past two seasons in ATL. I believe Kamara has legit potential to not just be a satellite back but a more primary carrier like Freeman. I'm not down on Ingram but his future will be uncertain as a 29yo free agent in 2019. Kamara might make that an easy transition.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:11 am to blueslover
I really think Payton wanted McCaffery or Cook. When they both disappeared, he panicked and did whatever it took to get his 3rd choice, Kamara!!! Just hate giving up our next years 2.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:34 am to moock blackjack
that move wasn't one of panic, as pointed out earlier in this thread they felt he was a 2nd rd talent so that's what they spent to go get him. I didn't want them doing that last night to go get one of those situational guys when that was the rumor, but Kamara will have a big role in this offense from day one.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:35 am to BilJ
Probably the pick im most excited about. Dude is such a natural pass catcher and makes guys miss. Have a feeling there are going to be a ton of crickets and overwhelming love for this pick once season starts.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:36 am to moock blackjack
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I really think Payton wanted McCaffery or Cook. When they both disappeared, he panicked and did whatever it took to get his 3rd choice, Kamara!!! Just hate giving up our next years 2.
Payton personally worked Kamara out before the draft. Kamara is a much more natural receiver than Dalvin.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 11:37 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:41 am to St Augustine
Drum up Mixon and McCaffrey, gets Kamara.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:43 am to cas4t
highlite reel
Around 1:38 is a answer to can he screen
Music aside I kept thinking as I watched of Reggie Bush like running style.
Anyone else?
Around 1:38 is a answer to can he screen
Music aside I kept thinking as I watched of Reggie Bush like running style.
Anyone else?
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:10 pm to goatmilker
I love saintards who are pissed about drafting this kid. 99% of them wanted to trade and think Peterson is done, but don't want this kid. Let's just run 5 wide all game. Frick running
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:11 pm to goatmilker
Interesting will be to compare his production to McCaffery in Carolina and Cook in Minny. I think he will catch more passes right off. Fair chance he could be the #1 RB here in carries too by 2019 IMO.
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