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re: We Are Drafting A WR In The First Round....
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:18 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:18 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Highlights of a small, speedy, highly touted WR rookie!
40 catches
418 yds
10.5 ypc
18 KO returns
22.1 avg
long 32 yds
33 punt returns
8.5 avg
long 98 yds
6 total TDs
2013 #8 overall Tavon Austin 5-9 174lbs
40 catches
418 yds
10.5 ypc
18 KO returns
22.1 avg
long 32 yds
33 punt returns
8.5 avg
long 98 yds
6 total TDs
2013 #8 overall Tavon Austin 5-9 174lbs
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:35 am to blueslover
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Highlights of a small, speedy, highly touted WR rookie!
I take it the Rams issues at quarterback or the ground & pound philosophy that had to be installed because of the issues at quarterback, ultimately had nothing to do with Austin's production? This was a terrible example to use.
What would have Austin's been like playing with decent quarterback or in one of the best offenses like the Saints, Broncos or Patriots? It's not always about a draftees talent alone but it will always be about how well does that potential selection fit in your system. Austin was limited in his rookie season because of having a QB who had his issues in the passing game.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:50 am to BigBrod81
some issues in StL but WRs might have the second highest bust rate of 1st Rders after QBs IMO
rotoworld on Austin-
Austin was a disappointment as the No. 8 overall pick, posting a 40-418-4 line while playing on just 50.5 percent of his possible offensive snaps. The Rams must do a better job of getting him in space. "I think another year in the program, in the offense, OTAs, training camp, you’ll see more production," Fisher said. Getting Sam Bradford back healthy will help, but Austin dropped too many passes and too often failed to make big plays in small areas last season. Mar 31 - 10:24 AM
Highly drafted and disappointing WRs-
A.J. Jenkins #30
Brain Quick #33
Jon Baldwin #26
Heyward-Bey #7
Nicks #29
Britt #30
Donnie Avery #33
Ted Ginn #9
Meachem #27
Craig Davis #30
Braylon Edwards #3
Troy Williamson #7
Mike Williams #10
Matt Jones #21
Mark Clayton #22
Roy Williams #7
Reggie Williams #9
Michael Clayton #15
rotoworld on Austin-
Austin was a disappointment as the No. 8 overall pick, posting a 40-418-4 line while playing on just 50.5 percent of his possible offensive snaps. The Rams must do a better job of getting him in space. "I think another year in the program, in the offense, OTAs, training camp, you’ll see more production," Fisher said. Getting Sam Bradford back healthy will help, but Austin dropped too many passes and too often failed to make big plays in small areas last season. Mar 31 - 10:24 AM
Highly drafted and disappointing WRs-
A.J. Jenkins #30
Brain Quick #33
Jon Baldwin #26
Heyward-Bey #7
Nicks #29
Britt #30
Donnie Avery #33
Ted Ginn #9
Meachem #27
Craig Davis #30
Braylon Edwards #3
Troy Williamson #7
Mike Williams #10
Matt Jones #21
Mark Clayton #22
Roy Williams #7
Reggie Williams #9
Michael Clayton #15
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:04 pm to blueslover
Every guy on that list had there issues heading into the draft. Plus, many of those receivers went to poorly run organizations. It's not always the fault of the player for not panning out. The coaching staffs are just as responsible for player development as the player is. If your organization & coaching staff is a shitty mess then guess how the players who are supposed to develop under them will turn out?
We have been blessed to have turned that corner under Payton & Loomis. They have made it a habit of developing players & getting the most out of those players especially on the offensive side. Defensively, that's been a different story but part of that has been the inconsistency at defensive coordinator. That seems to be resolved at this point.
Back to Austin. He wasn't a number one type receiver. He's a piece you add to an already solid corp to bring explosiveness & big play ability. He will prove his worth if the Rams get better at QB & put some quality receivers around him. At this point in time, his ability to maximize his potential is limited due to the reasons I've already listed.
We have been blessed to have turned that corner under Payton & Loomis. They have made it a habit of developing players & getting the most out of those players especially on the offensive side. Defensively, that's been a different story but part of that has been the inconsistency at defensive coordinator. That seems to be resolved at this point.
Back to Austin. He wasn't a number one type receiver. He's a piece you add to an already solid corp to bring explosiveness & big play ability. He will prove his worth if the Rams get better at QB & put some quality receivers around him. At this point in time, his ability to maximize his potential is limited due to the reasons I've already listed.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:10 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Agreed, especially in the first year. His frame just looks like it could fit some more muscle on it is all.
maybe maybe not, maybe 5 lbs is realistic.
But like I said, he has shown flashes and obviously has talent but is a project, and that might push him out of 1st round consideration.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:19 pm to htran90
quote:
I want Lee more than OBJ and Cooks.
I don't even want Lee in the 3rd if he would still be available. He will be a major bust.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:20 pm to blueslover
quote:
some issues in StL but WRs might have the second highest bust rate of 1st Rders after QBs IMO
I researched this topic yesterday and was surprised to learn that's not the case.
quote:
On the other hand, defensive ends and outside linebackers are just as likely to fall into one of the bottom two buckets as quarterbacks. Pass rushers may be in high demand but they’re not any safer than quarterbacks.
LINK
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:44 pm to TIGERSby10
quote:
I don't even want Lee in the 3rd if he would still be available. He will be a major bust.
I worry about "USC" players, but he's one year removed from dominating the college scene. There was a lot going on at USC this past year too, so shite happened. He's a big ?? though. Give me jordan matthews > all 3 though
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:08 pm to htran90
quote:
I worry about "USC" players, but he's one year removed from dominating the college scene.
Yeah, USC has had their share of bust but so does every major college. Matt Kalil & Clay Matthews success in the NFL says good players can come out of their program. To judge an individual just on past players failures is foolish. Same thing applies when it comes to putting an individual on a pedestal because of the success of other individuals out of the same program.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:14 pm to BigBrod81
quote:
Yeah, USC has had their share of bust but so does every major college. Matt Kalil & Clay Matthews success in the NFL says good players can come out of their program. To judge an individual just on past players failures is foolish. Same thing applies when it comes to putting an individual on a pedestal because of the success of other individuals out of the same program.
of course, look at LSU and bama. Their team success is great, but some of the players they produce didn't fare too well in the NFL. Some are actually pretty good.
We've had our fair share of bad USC players, but Lee is pretty legit imo
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:26 pm to htran90
quote:
We've had our fair share of bad USC players, but Lee is pretty legit imo
It's all good. It just sounded like you were placing all USC players into one category as bust prematurely. We've had our share of misjudging players out of Tennessee & Ohio St. as well.
Donte Stallworth was injury prone & spent more time in street clothes then he did producing on the field. Robert Meacham was a serviceable deep threat in his time here but he never played like a 1st round talent.
Will Smith had some really good seasons but he had some very mediocre seasons as well. He failed to be consistent throughout his entire time in New Orleans. Malcolm Jenkins was ok to out right bad at times. He never lived up to justify where he was drafted.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:05 pm to BigBrod81
Any big time college program has a long list of bust. If you are putting a large quantity of players into the league (especially 1st rounders) then you are going to have busts.
There is no correlation between the school you attended and becoming an NFL bust
There is no correlation between the school you attended and becoming an NFL bust
Posted on 4/9/14 at 7:29 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Yeah, USC has had their share of bust but so does every major college.
Is this not what I just said a few posts up?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:04 pm to blueslover
quote:
A.J. Jenkins #30
Brain Quick #33
Jon Baldwin #26
Heyward-Bey #7
Nicks #29
Britt #30
Donnie Avery #33
Ted Ginn #9
Meachem #27
Craig Davis #30
Braylon Edwards #3
Troy Williamson #7
Mike Williams #10
Matt Jones #21
Mark Clayton #22
Roy Williams #7
Reggie Williams #9
Michael Clayton #15
What I got from this list is don't pick a WR in the 1st round who has the last name Clayton or a last name that has Williams in it. If you avoid those players, you decease the chance of a bust by 33%.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 8:05 pm
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