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re: We are 5 picks in, no pass rusher
Posted on 4/29/17 at 2:10 pm to BilJ
Posted on 4/29/17 at 2:10 pm to BilJ
Yeah the first round talent guys would have been an improvement, but let's not act like the guys picked later would save the pass rush. They all went later for a reason.
If you go Barnett at 11 you pretty much have to trade for Butler. I would have liked that, but I know many here were against it.
If you go Barnett at 11 you pretty much have to trade for Butler. I would have liked that, but I know many here were against it.
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Posted on 4/29/17 at 2:25 pm to bonethug0108
Personally I like this better than trading for butler. I was team trade for Butler, but that was with the expectation Lattimore would not be there. Now you have your potential lock down man at a much cheaper rate: Riskier but so was paying Butler to an extent
I liked Barnett and could have made an impact but I don't think he would have fixed our need there either. His measurables would make him the exception to the rule of top level pass rushers if he ends up being highly successful.
I liked Barnett and could have made an impact but I don't think he would have fixed our need there either. His measurables would make him the exception to the rule of top level pass rushers if he ends up being highly successful.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 2:29 pm to BilJ
Just to be clear I wasn't saying I preferred my scenario of Barnett and Butler, just that I would have liked it very much.
They had to go Lattimore. He shouldn't have been there. Fills the biggest need. Plays man. Super athletic. Knock on wood he stays healthy and we got a real steal.
They had to go Lattimore. He shouldn't have been there. Fills the biggest need. Plays man. Super athletic. Knock on wood he stays healthy and we got a real steal.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 2:54 pm to bonethug0108
This is almost like a few years back when people (myself included) were screaming for a G starting in round 3. We ended up getting a few of the guys as UDFAs that people wanted to spend an early round pick on, the guy from UNC comes to mind. Not sure any of them even made the team. Do people just want a name even if it won't end up having an impact ?
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:03 pm to BilJ
Pretty much. People like names they are familiar with. Makes them feel smart and comfortable (myself included).
Like as much as I liked Willis, looking into this other kid I didn't know about shows me he's about the same talent level. Neither were going to be the saviors of our pass rush.
Like as much as I liked Willis, looking into this other kid I didn't know about shows me he's about the same talent level. Neither were going to be the saviors of our pass rush.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:05 pm to BilJ
Williams was a good pick at a need position. This thread wasn't about that selection.
That being said, the edge players dropped but this has always been a possibility.,this was a deep draft and a matter of preference & need for teams. The guy people get at pick 38 is a lot like the guy you get at 68. That has been said for weeks. Those edge guys dropping is not a negative. Using that to devalue them is not a good argument.
That being said, the edge players dropped but this has always been a possibility.,this was a deep draft and a matter of preference & need for teams. The guy people get at pick 38 is a lot like the guy you get at 68. That has been said for weeks. Those edge guys dropping is not a negative. Using that to devalue them is not a good argument.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:09 pm to Lester Earl
But EVERYONE says you put a premium on pass rush, so it would only make sense if the talent level was equal you would pick them first.
Being that they weren't picked first I have to think the teams disagreed with the media on how good these pass rushers really are.
Being that they weren't picked first I have to think the teams disagreed with the media on how good these pass rushers really are.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:10 pm to bonethug0108
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I preferred my scenario of Barnett and Butler, just that I would have liked it very much.
yep, me too... Butler, while older, is a proven commodity at CB... Lattimore isn't, and we missed on an above average edge rusher... hope it all works out....
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:13 pm to chRxis
lot of decent receivers still there.... i don't think any of the QBs left are any better than Grayson... and there is Devonte Fields and Carroll Phillips if we want to add to our defensive front 7
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:13 pm to chRxis
Me too because I think Barnett's floor was 8-10 sacks a year, which would have been more than enough with Jordan, Rankins, and Fairley.
I just can't bring myself to say Lattimore was the wrong pick though. He truly can be (and I really hope he is) a shutdown corner.
I just can't bring myself to say Lattimore was the wrong pick though. He truly can be (and I really hope he is) a shutdown corner.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:14 pm to Lester Earl
Is it deep or are there just a lot of guys?
DB was considered deep and they got snatched up like crazy because the quality was there
DB was considered deep and they got snatched up like crazy because the quality was there
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:16 pm to bonethug0108
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Me too because I think Barnett's floor was 8-10 sacks a year, which would have been more than enough with Jordan, Rankins, and Fairley.
I just can't bring myself to say Lattimore was the wrong pick though. He truly can be (and I really hope he is) a shutdown corner.
exactly how i feel...
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:16 pm to chRxis
Bryan Cox Jr is still there too...
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:18 pm to chRxis
Barnett is probably the only rusher we passed on that could have helped, but a potential all pro fell into your lap due to some wild circumstances and you had to make the move
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:18 pm to Lester Earl
I haven't read the whole thread, so maybe it was already addressed, but
If this is true on the draft board, isn't it a good reason to devalue them based on your picks? If you believe there are enough quality guys so you can get a similar player 30 picks later, shouldn't you wait the 30 picks?
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The guy people get at pick 38 is a lot like the guy you get at 68. That has been said for weeks. Those edge guys dropping is not a negative. Using that to devalue them is not a good argument.
If this is true on the draft board, isn't it a good reason to devalue them based on your picks? If you believe there are enough quality guys so you can get a similar player 30 picks later, shouldn't you wait the 30 picks?
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:20 pm to chRxis
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exactly how i feel...
I think that's how most of us feel. No one thought Lattimore would fall, but the top 10 went full idiot and took QBs, WRs, and RBs.
So then you get the #1 corner, a position of need, with unreal measurables at 11. You have to take that.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:20 pm to TigerBait1127
And like I said there is a saying (which Les very much believes in) that you put a premium on pass rushers.
So all things equal wouldn't they go first?
That's why I don't think it was equal at all.
So all things equal wouldn't they go first?
That's why I don't think it was equal at all.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:22 pm to bonethug0108
Yea, I just don't see a big difference based on the guy we got and the guys who went in the round before him.
And honestly, I still liked Lawson on the board after too
And honestly, I still liked Lawson on the board after too
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:22 pm to TigerBait1127
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So then you get the #1 corner, a position of need, with unreal measurables at 11. You have to take that.
that's why i say i understand why we took him.... but after that is where it went off the rails for me...
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:28 pm to bonethug0108
Right, they put a premium on pass rushers so one would assume these guys would have gone much sooner had teams evaluations matched that of the drafniks
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