re: Von Miller comparison = Clay Matthews?

Chadboy you are arguing semantics and that is all.

I hope you know what that means.

An argument is what you want, Im not here to play with you.

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So all the hopes & dreams about a Clay Matthews type or Von Miller type on our defenses, just forget about it. Its not going to happen unless we find an outstanding pass rushing DE. In the Dome Patrol days Miller would have been a great fit, now not so much. So please stop with the Von Miller talk.

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don't know enough about Miller, but Matthews can cover. Check out his combine vid, he has the hips of a CB and very fluid changing direction. He would be just as good a WILL as a 3-4 olb.
And I think Vilma would be great scooting over if they had a chance to get what they think is a great MLB.

Yes the defense has run 3-4 sets since Gregg Williams arrival but its only been used in certain games & only for 5-6 plays. Our base defense is 4-3 & if you think anything differently you are a fool.

Williams ran some 3-4 & plenty of 3-3-5 against the Colts out of necessity. Williams knew he had to show Peyton Manning something different on almost every play or he would have scortched us.

The reason we were able to trade for Vilma was the fact that we run a 4-3. When the Jets decided to which to a 3-4, Vilma wanted no part of it & demanded a trade. Vilma's a team guy, so he has bought into playing in the 3-4 for the few plays that he is asked. If it was our base defense, Vilma would be looking to get out of town.

Another reason we don't consistantly use the 3-4 is due to the fact we don't have the personnel to use it more then the occasional 5-6 plays a game. If you want to see what happens to a defense when they play a 3-4 & it doesn't match their personnel, all you have to do is look at this year's Washington Redskins. They were terrible on defense. They switched to a 3-4 with 4-3 personnel & got run through in the process.

ChadBoy I know we disagreed in that Sedrick Ellis thread but I got your back here because your spot on here. P Bean you need to step your football knowledge up. In your attempt to flame, you are showing that you are lacking in that department. It would make NO sense to draft a player who doesn't fit our scheme. What is Miller going to do, sit the bench until games come up that Williams decides to mix a few 3-4 packages in his game plan? No, our base is 4-3 & we'll draft & sign players in the front 7 who fit that scheme. We won't draft players for occasional packages especially in the first round.

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Yes the defense has run 3-4 sets since Gregg Williams arrival but its only been used in certain games & only for 5-6 plays. Our base defense is 4-3 & if you think anything differently you are a fool.

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We have run a 3-4 over a 4-3 for entire games previous not just 5-6 plays

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ChadBoy I know we disagreed in that Sedrick Ellis thread but I got your back here because your spot on here. P Bean you need to step your football knowledge up. In your attempt to flame, you are showing that you are lacking in that department. It would make NO sense to draft a player who doesn't fit our scheme. What is Miller going to do, sit the bench until games come up that Williams decides to mix a few 3-4 packages in his game plan? No, our base is 4-3 & we'll draft & sign players in the front 7 who fit that scheme. We won't draft players for occasional packages especially in the first round.

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Chadboy is hung up b/c I said we played it for an entire game, but obviously I did not mean on passing downs as well...Thats why I said Im not trying to argue semantics, of course if they go 5 wide were not going to leave 4 db's in the game and leave a LB with a WR, why do I even have to say that its obvious enough
Also, if we draft a guy who helps our 3-4 package excell, we may see it more often, GW loves the 3-4 and has run it with other teams he coached as primarily 3-4 defenses as opposed to his primarily 4-3 defenses here at New Orleans....
GW is an innovative coach and runs all sorts of variations of the 3-4 and 4-3 as well, all throughout his career

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Our base defense is 4-3 & if you think anything differently you are a fool.

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Naw really? of course it is dude.

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What is Miller going to do, sit the bench until games come up that Williams decides to mix a few 3-4 packages in his game plan

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Why would we do that? If we take a 1st round LB I think the plan is to start him and play him in any package we feel like, not just play him when we go with the 3-4 defense

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If i'm arguing semantics, then your points were semantics.

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Now I really think you dont know what that means :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok, have fun you guys, its been funny

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You are trying to insinuate anything to defeat me

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lol, still cant beleive that you actually said this. You win! You cant be defeated :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nowhere in that article does it state that we ran a 3-4 the entire game against Buffalo. Even before this discussion I was already aware of the 3-4 packages that Gregg Wiliams was OCCASIONALLY running.

We don't use them more then 5-6 times when they are used & its just another way Williams likes to get into the head of opposing QB's & O-Line to cause confusion & mistakes. I don't know where you getting that we run it anymore then that from.

Making the change or running more 3-4 sets is more complicated then you think & can lead to players developing bad habits in the base 4-3. Its not just an adjustment for the LB's but the D-Line responsibilities change also in the 3-4. That's why Williams limits the packages he uses. He's also limited to the 3-4 use because we don't have the personnel to use it anymore then he already does.


The Saints drafting Von Miller would be like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Its a lose/lose situation for player & organization. There would be too much time lost trying to help him adjust to a new position & ultimately could lead him to being a bust. On defense you don't draft a player & design formations to get them on the field. You draft players to fit your scheme & that can make plays within that scheme.

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Which side do you think would better suit him if that were to be the case?

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Definitely the weakside.

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Its obvious that you have lost numerous brain cells in your lifetime so the lack of oxygen for that long time period wouldn't hurt you one bit.

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Quote: Making the change or running more 3-4 sets is more complicated then you think & can lead to players developing bad habits in the base 4-3. Its not just an adjustment for the LB's but the D-Line responsibilities change also in the 3-4. That's why Williams LIMITS the packages he uses. He's also limited to the 3-4 use because we don't have the personnel to use it anymore then he already does. Quote


Are you serious. GW is a defensive genius, he's innovative and comes up with all kinds of defensive alignments. We line up in crazy sh*t all the time. Your reasoning makes no sense apparently GW disagrees he runs 3 and 4 man fronts often in our games....
GW will run any formation he can think of.... GTFO!
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Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams,  the mad scientist behind New Orleans' elaborate defensive playbook,  said the strategy was something the team had been planning to throw at Buffalo for months.
"That was something back in the spring we had ready to roll,  and we worked all spring long on that kind of a package vs. that style of offense, " said Williams,  though he added that the Saints were prepared to switch things up if the Bills had made more adjustments.
"I don't call the game from a piece of paper, " said Williams,  repeating one of his favorite mantras. "You have to take a look out there and try to be the quarterback too. That's what we do on defense.
"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night."


"Williams scoffed at the notion that Vilma is less effective in a 3-4 than in a 4-3.
"He's a football player, " Williams said. "If I had to worry about that,  I'd never play him because I play him in a 3-4,  3-3-3-2,  4-1,  4-2,  4-3. What he needs to worry about is when I don't play with any linebackers. That's what he needs to worry about."
Yes,  Williams does have such a package in his playbook.
"We call it dollar,  where it's four down linemen and seven DBs, " Williams said. "We just haven't had to use that right now because (Vilma) is a pretty versatile football player."



"The Saints run more of a hybrid look from a 3-4 base, but defensive coordinator Gregg Williams will throw anything at an enemy offense -- zone blitzes, 4-4 linebacker/safety combos, and dime blitzes with six defensive backs on the field. With only three linemen on the field, that's one more defender to move around and create confusion. This is a hallmark of Dick LeBeau's defenses in Pittsburgh and Rex Ryan's in New York and"


"Williams loves to blitz, and he runs as much man coverage as anyone in the league. He has become extremely adept at moving between three- and four-man fronts."


"In their first two defensive drives in the big game, the Saints lined up with four down linemen just once, and they allowed 10 of the 17 points given up in the game. In their third defensive drive, they utilized more four-lineman fronts. That may be why the Lombardi Trophy lives in the Big Easy.
Williams knew he couldn’t use straight 3-4 or 5-2 fronts against Peyton Manning(notes) all the time. He also ran a lot of nickel coverage, moving into 3-3-5 defenses that occasionally stacked the linebackers over the linemen, with the defensive backs fanning out. In other cases, he’d place the linebackers at the line, hoping to get extra run support. It was against one of those wide sets that Colts halfback Joseph Addai ripped off a 16-yard gain with 4:29 left in the first quarter."