re: Trade Costs

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I wouldn't mind that. Bump the 78 to jump 10 spots and get two top 25 players

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That's not that bad, but the team has a lot of holes and I can't imagine there won't be a player we need at #31.

Maybe I'm just gun shy with our drafting abilities and want as many picks as possible to increase the chances of finding contributors.

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#31 vs. 2nd Rd has the extra year contract advantage to consider also

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exactly. 31 is an extremely valuable position due to this. If someone wants Petty or Hundley, then we can get some fantastic value for such a trade.

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If someone wants Petty or Hundley

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Which would be great if Tenn or NYJ pass on Mariotta and like Petty or Hundley. Anyone else would be too far of a drop for me

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Assuming Winston and Mariota go in the 1st (which is lock), what other team will be really anxious to get back in the first to grab the next QB?

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I don't know about trading into the first, but I could see the Jets, Bills, Browns, Redskins, Chargers, Eagles, Broncos, Cardinals, Bears, and Rams all taking a QB in the first three rounds. Then of course you could always have a team like the Patriots unexpectedly take one early because the value is too good to pass up.

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that chart is based off of Bill Parcells from 10yrs+ ago.

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It was actually started by the Cowboys in the mid 60s with Tex Schramm as the owner, Tom Landry as head coach & Gil Brandt as head scout/Vice President of player personnel.

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things are much different now and that chart isn't as relevant anymore. sometimes more is required and other times less. I wonder how many if any teams even refer to this, or is it just the media and fans

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The chart is still very much used but it has become more advanced since then. Belichick had his own version when he took over in Cleveland but he has used it well in New England. It has some of the philosophies he learned under Parcells but Belichick added his own twist to it. This is one of the reasons Payton constantly talks about following the Patriots blueprint.

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but will Loomis ever trade down ala NE?

That's yet to be determined. We have seen the organization for the first time under Payton actually stockpile picks heading into the draft though.

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AT #13
give #31, gets you to #4 or 5
give #44, gets you to #6
give #75 or 78, gets you to #9

AT #31
give #44, gets you to #16
give #75 or 78, gets you to #21


#31 moving back 5 spots would get you a mid to later 4th Rd
#31 moving back 10 spots would get you a top of 4th Rd

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NO NO NO !!

I like #13 moving back 5 spots would get you a top of the 3rd Rd pick
#13 moving back 10 spots would get you a mid 2nd Rd or more

This team needs Players NOT a player

you have been playing the draft simulators too much

Duncan on trading up for Williams-

If the New Orleans Saints have a chance to select Leonard Williams in the first round of the NFL Draft on Thursday, they need to go get him.

Don't think twice about it. Just make the trade, turn in the card and thank your lucky stars the draft constellation aligned for you.

Short of a Ricky Williams' fire sale, the Saints need to do whatever it takes to acquire the Southern Cal lineman. If that means trading a few mid-round draft picks to climb into the Top 5, then so be it. Do it, and worry about the rest of the draft later.

Williams is exactly what the Saints need in this draft. He checks all the boxes.

--Impact defensive player. Check.

--Can start right away. Check.

--Smart, tough guy with no off-field issues who is accountable to teammates. Check.

He's a no-brainer. If available, you go get him.

The Saints have gone too long without a dominant defender. In the Sean Payton-Drew Brees era, they have had plenty of good defensive players. But they've lacked an alpha dog, a guy opposing offenses have to scheme for on Sundays. They need a Drew Brees of the defense. That kind of guy isn't going to be available at No. 13. Not in this draft.

Edge rushers Shane Ray and Randy Gregory have recently been downgraded because of off-field issues. That means Donte Fowler Jr. and Vic Beasley will almost surely be off the board at No. 13. Are the Saints willing to gamble on a character-risk talent like Ray or Gregory in an offseason when they've emphasized character and accountability? What kind of message does that send to fans and the locker room?

No, if the Saints want a sure-fire defensive difference-maker, they're going to have to go get him.

By all accounts, Williams is one of the few sure things in this draft. He's the No. 1 overall player on most scouts' boards. Former NFL scout Chris Landry gives him the only superstar grade in the draft, a stand-alone value from the other prospects. How many times do the Saints have a chance to get a player of that caliber?

"I think he's the best football player in the draft," former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah said of Wiliams on NFL Network's "Path to the Draft." "You talk about a game-changer against the run and against the pass -- it doesn't matter what scheme you run, whatever you want to do, Leonard Williams can do.

Williams won't turn 21 until June and is only beginning to scratch the surface of his potential. Because of his ability to play inside and on the edge, he's been compared to former Pro Bowlers like Reggie White and Kevin Williams.

"Leonard Williams can play all four or five defensive line positions," said NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock, who has Williams graded No. 1 overall on his big board. "He's a 300-pound guy that can make the difference in both the run and pass game."

How could the consensus No. 1 player in the draft fall to No. 4 or 5? It doesn't happen often, but circumstances and the intoxication of a franchise quarterback make the scenario a real possibility this year. Colleague Larry Holder and I each imagined the possibility in our final mock drafts.

Tampa Bay is expected to take Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston at No. 1. Tennessee is thought to be leaning toward taking Marcus Mariota at No. 2. If not, they are expected to trade the pick to a team that will select the Oregon quarterback.

That leaves Jacksonville at No. 3. The Jaguars need help everywhere. They could take Williams or Dante Fowler Jr. or even Alabama receiver Amari Cooper. Regardless, either Williams or Fowler will be available at No. 4, meaning the Saints could acquire either the best overall player in the draft or the best pure pass rusher.

Leonard Williams
USC defensive lineman Leonard Williams has been compared to former NFL All-Pros Reggie White and Kevin Williams because of his rare blend of size and athleticism.
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I say, go get one of them. Fowler is also a trade-worthy talent. He's the best pure pass rusher in the draft and unlike Ray and Gregory is regarded as a "clean" prospect by evaluators.

The Saints' defense needs an alpha dog. They have a bunch of good players but no transcendent talent. A guy like Williams would make everyone better. Add him to the mix with Akiem Hicks, Cameron Jordan and Junior Galette and suddenly the Saints' defensive line looks imposing.

At Nos. 4 and 5, Oakland and Washington are reportedly interested in trading down, which makes sense given their rebuilding status. The Raiders and Redskins could both use Williams and/or Fowler but both are also more than one player away from contention. They could move down to the Saints' spot at No. 13, acquire a starting-caliber talent and acquire more picks to bolster their roster. Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie has said he's willing to listen to trade offers and has a working history with Saints co-defensive coordinator Dennis Allen. The Redskins have said likewise.

The Saints, meanwhile, have the ammunition to move up. With nine picks at their disposal, they own a surfeit of selections. Nine rookies are not going to make the Saints active roster. It just makes sense to use the resources to move and acquire the players you want. The Patriots have operated this way for years in the draft.

Besides, it's not like Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton are risk-averse decision-makers. No one needs to prod them to be aggressive. They'd hit on 18 if their guts told them so. They just traded the best offensive weapon on the roster. They have a track record of identifying draft targets and going to get them. See: Sedrick Ellis; Mark Ingram; and Brandin Cooks.

"I'm not sure they're going to stand pat," former NFL general manager Bill Polian said during a conference call earlier this month. "I think they have ammunition to move up, and it's ... possible they'd do so, particularly if the key defensive players start to come off the board early. That's the reason for trying to move up."

What would it take to make the move? It depends on the asking price.

Circumstances vary draft to draft. Miami only had to throw in a second-round pick (No. 42 overall) to vault from No. 12 to No. 3 in 2013. In other years, it's required more. It all depends upon Oakland's motivation to move down.

The Saints can't afford to mortgage their entire draft but they have plenty of resources to make an attractive offer. I think they could get it done by dealing their second-rounder (No. 44 overall) and one of their two third-round picks (No. 75 or No. 78). Using some of their picks to move and acquire key targets makes sense. And where there's a will there's a way.

The Saints brain trust has made no secret of its need for impact defensive playmakers. That's what the offseason roster shuffling has been about. Now they need to find a way to get one.

Trading for Leonard Williams would be a splash report even Payton would love.

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Not advocating but I'm a believer that will trade up if they have a chance to get Williams, Fowler, or Beasley

Williams and Fowler likely too expensive. Guessing a jump to #6 or 7 to get Beasley

#13 + #75 + #78= get you to #6 or 7

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with Bears #7- #13 + #44 = #7 + #106 + #142