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Trade Costs
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:31 am
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:31 am
just a thread to have these so I don't have to keep looking them up.
AT #13
give #31, gets you to #4 or 5
give #44, gets you to #6
give #75 or 78, gets you to #9
AT #31
give #44, gets you to #16
give #75 or 78, gets you to #21
With the many other surprises this year maybe Loomis will trade down. Hard to not think he will do some kinda trade with his pockets filled with draft currency.
#13 moving back 5 spots would get you a top of the 3rd Rd pick
#13 moving back 10 spots would get you a mid 2nd Rd
#31 moving back 5 spots would get you a mid to later 4th Rd
#31 moving back 10 spots would get you a top of 4th Rd
AT #13
give #31, gets you to #4 or 5
give #44, gets you to #6
give #75 or 78, gets you to #9
AT #31
give #44, gets you to #16
give #75 or 78, gets you to #21
With the many other surprises this year maybe Loomis will trade down. Hard to not think he will do some kinda trade with his pockets filled with draft currency.
#13 moving back 5 spots would get you a top of the 3rd Rd pick
#13 moving back 10 spots would get you a mid 2nd Rd
#31 moving back 5 spots would get you a mid to later 4th Rd
#31 moving back 10 spots would get you a top of 4th Rd
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:34 am to blueslover
all theoretically speaking
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:38 am to blueslover
quote:
AT #13
give #31, gets you to #4 or 5
give #44, gets you to #6
give #75 or 78, gets you to #9
I wouldn't mind using our 2nd to get to 6 and then using our later rounds to get a 2nd back.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:40 am to Chad504boy
quote:
all theoretically speaking
exactly. that chart is based off of Bill Parcells from 10yrs+ ago. things are much different now and that chart isn't as relevant anymore. sometimes more is required and other times less. I wonder how many if any teams even refer to this, or is it just the media and fans
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:43 am to Midget Death Squad
blues obviously hasn't seen The Draft. 
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:51 am to blueslover
I'd be ok taking the top pass rusher available and then using a third to move up from 31 to take Collins or Brown if they are still on the board.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:53 am to Chad504boy
Review NFL trades and you will see the draft pick chart values are still adhered to by and large. Ex: Cooks trade last year, #27 + #91 (816pts) for #20 (850pts)
Two 3rds is prolly already burning a hole in Loomis' pocket.
I don't see a lot for #13. That would be to the Giants spot. The three spots you jump (StL, Min, CLE) don't look to be huge competitors for positions.
If guessing, I'd predict they move up from #31. It could be a considerable difference in what target is on the board at #21 vs. #31
Two 3rds is prolly already burning a hole in Loomis' pocket.
I don't see a lot for #13. That would be to the Giants spot. The three spots you jump (StL, Min, CLE) don't look to be huge competitors for positions.
If guessing, I'd predict they move up from #31. It could be a considerable difference in what target is on the board at #21 vs. #31
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:53 am to Midget Death Squad
quote:
exactly. that chart is based off of Bill Parcells from 10yrs+ ago. things are much different now and that chart isn't as relevant anymore. sometimes more is required and other times less. I wonder how many if any teams even refer to this, or is it just the media and fans
Really it all depends on the team you are trading up with. If they have many equal players on their board left, they are more inclined to just move down for something extra. On the other hand if there is a player they covet on the board they will try to rake you over the coals.
I'm sure there is some base system these guys use but they are by no means married to it.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:56 am to blueslover
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AT #13 give #31, gets you to #4 or 5 give #44, gets you to #6
I could see either of these happening if Williams starts to fall. Especially since the talks are that Washington wants to stock pile picks this year to make up for the lack of picks they had due to the RG3 trade.
quote:
AT #31 give #44, gets you to #16
This could be great value. That would mean we essentially traded JG, our 2nd & 4th for Max Unger and a mid 1st rounder.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:58 am to blueslover
quote:
AT #13
give #31, gets you to #4 or 5
give #44, gets you to #6
give #75 or 78, gets you to #9
AT #31
give #44, gets you to #16
give #75 or 78, gets you to #21
With the many other surprises this year maybe Loomis will trade down. Hard to not think he will do some kinda trade with his pockets filled with draft currency.
#13 moving back 5 spots would get you a top of the 3rd Rd pick
#13 moving back 10 spots would get you a mid 2nd Rd
#31 moving back 5 spots would get you a mid to later 4th Rd
#31 moving back 10 spots would get you a top of 4th Rd
Sorry Blues but the majority of this is wrong.Heres the chart. Ive posted it like 37 times and its on the OP of the mock draft thread pinned at the top
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 9:59 am
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:04 am to Meateye
same chart, correct my math if need be
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:07 am to Meateye
quote:
Sorry Blues but the majority of this is wrong.Heres the chart
that's just the point. the chart isn't the golden standard. to use it as a guide to be in the ballpark is one thing, but to keep referencing it and saying a projected value is wrong is not accurate. this chart predates everything the draft does now along with each pick's values.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:16 am to Midget Death Squad
quote:
that's just the point. the chart isn't the golden standard. to use it as a guide to be in the ballpark is one thing, but to keep referencing it and saying a projected value is wrong is not accurate. this chart predates everything the draft does now along with each pick's values.
This is the actual chart they use my man. Of course they don't stick to it exactly but its pretty close. This is the reason i predicted what we would trade the Cards last year to move up to 20 and get Cooks.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:17 am to Meateye
His math looks right to me going off of that chart.
And the chart is a good guideline so to completely ignore it is foolish. But also as said each trade is going to be dependent on several factors, mostly depending on the higher pick team's board.
And the chart is a good guideline so to completely ignore it is foolish. But also as said each trade is going to be dependent on several factors, mostly depending on the higher pick team's board.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:20 am to Meateye
quote:
Before most teams make a trade involving picks, they consult a the value chart. This chart, which has been around for decades and has been improved upon at various junctures, assesses a numerical value for each draft position in the chart. The chart most widely used, for instance, gives a value of 3,000 to first-overall pick and goes down from there. If a team wants to trade for that pick, for most general managers to say yes to a deal, the bounty being offered needs to equate to 3,000 or better. Not every trade fits into this equation, but many do. Last year the Saints moved up from the 27th pick to 20th pick in a deal with the Arizona Cardinals to draft wide receiver Brandin Cooks. To make the move, New Orleans had to surrender the 27th and 91st picks, which came in at a total value of 816. Arizona’s pick had a value of 850, coming in at a net loss of four percent on the draft value chart.
LINK
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:21 am to Meateye
quote:
This is the actual chart they use my man. Of course they don't stick to it exactly but its pretty close. This is the reason i predicted what we would trade the Cards last year to move up to 20 and get Cooks.
The math is right in line with your chart. No, 13 and 31 do not equal what it would take to get to 5 on your chart, but it gets damn close. Getting to 20 last year took 850 points....they gave up 817. Its close enough.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:24 am to SaintEB
quote:
The math is right in line with your chart. No, 13 and 31 do not equal what it would take to get to 5 on your chart, but it gets damn close. Getting to 20 last year took 850 points....they gave up 817. Its close enough.
Yes it would 1150 plus 600 equals 1750. the #5 is worth 1700. anyway I looked at what he was saying wrong. So hes really close to what it should be. My bad
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:29 am to Meateye
I think I am not being as clear as I intended. I am not discrediting the chart. My point is not to hold dear to the point values assigned as a strict standard. It should be used as a guide, not as absolute. I will admit foolishness by me to assume that it's the same chart Parcells used all them years back. Of course they would modify it over time. 
to me
to me
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:29 am to Meateye
I think the reason this may seem "wrong" to some is that it has to do with the perceived value by the team initiating the trade of the person they are chasing. This chart is simply a starting point for negotiations.
Example, didn't Seattle say one of the reasons that they had no issue trading their #1 pick to the Saints this year was that they only had given 16 players a true first round grade.
Example, didn't Seattle say one of the reasons that they had no issue trading their #1 pick to the Saints this year was that they only had given 16 players a true first round grade.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:50 am to Screaming Viking
quote:
Example, didn't Seattle say one of the reasons that they had no issue trading their #1 pick to the Saints this year was that they only had given 16 players a true first round grade.
I didn't see that anywhere, but its very possible. If their 1st round basically finishes after pick 16, then 31 wasn't very useful to them. Where as for New Orleans, the 31st is a hot commodity (IMO). I think they absolutely need to keep, at least, 4 of the 5 picks they currently have in the top 78.
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