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re: The Newest Saint - Kenny Vaccaro (w/ scouting reports, stats, pics & highlights)
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:47 pm to JLock
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:47 pm to JLock
quote:
Just stop. He was put on an island with Tavon Austin this season and held him to 3 catches for about 30 yards, after Austin was shitting all over our corners before that. He shut down Ryan Swope, who is a very good slot receiver, down the year before and pretty much locked down anyone he was matched up with. Just because the rest of the Texas defense sucked doesn't mean that he did. He can't cover the whole fricking field by himself.
He does have a tendency to take chances and sometimes gets burned, but you're getting a very good safety. And he's way better than Roman fricking Harper.
/rant
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:50 pm to tgr4ever
I will add to that post saying he was the only player worth a shite on the texas d and literally had to do it on his own. Eric reid had a down year...because the rest of the secondary wasnt as good as the year before.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:54 pm to AnotherRound
You realize the Saints have more picks to come right? The best 3-4 DL were off the board and he was considered the best S prospect out there. It was a value pick instead of reaching for someone else. Granted I would have been alright with Datone Jones, but Vaccaro wants to play and he's a Saint now, so I'm all in.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:06 pm to xxKylexx
I think it was the fact that everyone wanted Jones and things had to fall in place, and they did, for him to fall to us and we didn't take him.
The more I read though, the more I like the pick. Kind of worried about the maturity, but he's coming to a strong locker room and just had a kid, so I hope all that's behind him.
The more I read though, the more I like the pick. Kind of worried about the maturity, but he's coming to a strong locker room and just had a kid, so I hope all that's behind him.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:09 pm to xxKylexx
quote:
You realize the Saints have more picks to come right? The best 3-4 DL were off the board and he was considered the best S prospect out there. It was a value pick instead of reaching for someone else. Granted I would have been alright with Datone Jones, but Vaccaro wants to play and he's a Saint now, so I'm all in.
Datone over Jarvis?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:18 pm to tgr4ever
Great quote from vaccaro
LINK
That's some great leadership
quote:
If you're not going to go out there and go 100 percent, I said, 'Just go home. Because if football is not important to you, like it is to me, I don't want to be associated with a group of guys who don't care as much as I do.'
LINK
That's some great leadership
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:19 pm to imAMAZING
I really liked his interview during the draft. He seems really determined to prove himself. Like the attitude.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:33 pm to xxKylexx
quote:
You realize the Saints have more picks to come right? The best 3-4 DL were off the board and he was considered the best S prospect out there. It was a value pick instead of reaching for someone else. Granted I would have been alright with Datone Jones, but Vaccaro wants to play and he's a Saint now, so I'm all in.
Datone over Jarvis?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:38 pm to Brageous
LINK
Roman Harper
Roman Harper attended the University of Alabama, and played for the Alabama Crimson Tide football team. He was a four-year letterman and a three-year starter and finished his college football career with 302 tackles, 5 interceptions, 5 forced fumbles, 4 fumble recoveries, and 3.5 sacks. As a senior, he was a first team All-Southeastern Conference cat. As a junior, he was a second team All-Southeastern Conference selection. As a sophomore, he led the team with 114 tackles and also had an interception and a fumble recovery
Birth Date: December 11, 1982
Birth Place: Prattville, AL
Height: 6-1
Weight: 200 lbs.
Age 27
Position: S
Experience: 5 years
College: Alabama
Drafted 2006: 2nd Rnd, 43rd by NO
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 9'8"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.34
3-Cone Drill: 7.02
40 Yd Dash: 4.58
Kenny Vaccaro (SS)
HT: 6'0" WT: 214LBS.
POSITION: SS
SCHOOL: Texas
ARM LENGTH: 32 3/4"
HANDS: 10"
COMBINE STATS
40 YARD DASH: 4.63 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 15 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 38.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 121.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 6.78 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.06 SEC
ANALYSIS
Strengths
NFL starting combo safety material with a very good blend of overall strength and athleticism. Often used as a nickel back despite a thick overall build. Very loose hips and good overall change-of-direction ability. Locks onto slot receivers at the line and has the agility and straight-game speed to stay with them on out routes and downfield. Physical with receivers trying to block him in the run game, has the strength to rip off and make a stop. Solid open-field tackler, uses great effort and his upper-body strength to drag down ball carriers. Strong off the edge as a blitzer, has bend to turn the corner and gets physical with running backs standing in his way. Flashes the hands and body control to catch passes away from his body. Good change of direction ability and shows the range to play the half-field in Cover Two. Attacks downhill against the run well, running the alley aggressively from deep-half coverage.
Weaknesses
Used extensively in man coverage and around the line, must continue improving as a reliable back-half defender against the pass and last line of defense against long runs. One-speed player who lacks burst. Is not quite agile or fast enough to stick with better NFL receivers, backpedal is high and stiff, can be out-quicked in space, and loses a step running down the seam. Can get caught freelancing and watching the backfield in zone coverage, and will bite on play action. Knee injury ended his senior season in high school after three games. Can fill downhill out of control, losing his leverage on the ball carrier and missing tackles. Doesn?t always take good angles and is prone to running himself too far upfield when he?s the ?force? defender.
2011 Split G Solo Assisted Total Total/G
All Games 13 46 25 71 5.46
2012 Split G Solo Assisted Total Total/G
All Games 13 59 37 96 7.38
Roman Harper
Roman Harper attended the University of Alabama, and played for the Alabama Crimson Tide football team. He was a four-year letterman and a three-year starter and finished his college football career with 302 tackles, 5 interceptions, 5 forced fumbles, 4 fumble recoveries, and 3.5 sacks. As a senior, he was a first team All-Southeastern Conference cat. As a junior, he was a second team All-Southeastern Conference selection. As a sophomore, he led the team with 114 tackles and also had an interception and a fumble recovery
Birth Date: December 11, 1982
Birth Place: Prattville, AL
Height: 6-1
Weight: 200 lbs.
Age 27
Position: S
Experience: 5 years
College: Alabama
Drafted 2006: 2nd Rnd, 43rd by NO
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 9'8"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.34
3-Cone Drill: 7.02
40 Yd Dash: 4.58
Kenny Vaccaro (SS)
HT: 6'0" WT: 214LBS.
POSITION: SS
SCHOOL: Texas
ARM LENGTH: 32 3/4"
HANDS: 10"
COMBINE STATS
40 YARD DASH: 4.63 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 15 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 38.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 121.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 6.78 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.06 SEC
ANALYSIS
Strengths
NFL starting combo safety material with a very good blend of overall strength and athleticism. Often used as a nickel back despite a thick overall build. Very loose hips and good overall change-of-direction ability. Locks onto slot receivers at the line and has the agility and straight-game speed to stay with them on out routes and downfield. Physical with receivers trying to block him in the run game, has the strength to rip off and make a stop. Solid open-field tackler, uses great effort and his upper-body strength to drag down ball carriers. Strong off the edge as a blitzer, has bend to turn the corner and gets physical with running backs standing in his way. Flashes the hands and body control to catch passes away from his body. Good change of direction ability and shows the range to play the half-field in Cover Two. Attacks downhill against the run well, running the alley aggressively from deep-half coverage.
Weaknesses
Used extensively in man coverage and around the line, must continue improving as a reliable back-half defender against the pass and last line of defense against long runs. One-speed player who lacks burst. Is not quite agile or fast enough to stick with better NFL receivers, backpedal is high and stiff, can be out-quicked in space, and loses a step running down the seam. Can get caught freelancing and watching the backfield in zone coverage, and will bite on play action. Knee injury ended his senior season in high school after three games. Can fill downhill out of control, losing his leverage on the ball carrier and missing tackles. Doesn?t always take good angles and is prone to running himself too far upfield when he?s the ?force? defender.
2011 Split G Solo Assisted Total Total/G
All Games 13 46 25 71 5.46
2012 Split G Solo Assisted Total Total/G
All Games 13 59 37 96 7.38
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:41 pm to Interception
In other words he is a better overall athlete than Harper but I don't see the huge upside everyone is talking about. He has played a lot of man coverage and that is something Ryan wants to play.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:42 pm to Interception
WOAH!!!!111 Vaccaro and Harper are so similiar!!!!!11
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:47 pm to tgr4ever
They actually are similar jackass
Truffant has way more upside (speed, multiple positions etc.)
Vaccaro is the best safety in a weak class. He can't play corner much like Harper.
Truffant has way more upside (speed, multiple positions etc.)
Vaccaro is the best safety in a weak class. He can't play corner much like Harper.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:49 pm to tgr4ever
quote:
WOAH!!!!111 Vaccaro and Harper are so similiar!!!!!11
Only not at all. And the stiff backpedal crap in that analysis is just that...crap. See the Sports Science video where he tested as the best player moving backwards in the draft (a major plus for a safety, of course).
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:50 pm to Suntiger
After watching the highlights this is what I liked:
Hard Hitter
Very good read and react
Sound wrap tackler and seems to have strong hands to trip guys up when needed.
Solid looking hands on ints
Great closing speed
Can cause fumbles with hit power or using hands
Gets hands up very quick when around the ball
Follows the ball very well in the air
Seems to be good at sticking to receivers
Hard Hitter
Very good read and react
Sound wrap tackler and seems to have strong hands to trip guys up when needed.
Solid looking hands on ints
Great closing speed
Can cause fumbles with hit power or using hands
Gets hands up very quick when around the ball
Follows the ball very well in the air
Seems to be good at sticking to receivers
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:51 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
Sound wrap tackler
stopped here
I'm sold
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:57 pm to Brageous
quote:
stopped here
I'm sold
Not even kidding, he tackles better than almost every player on our defense. Very sound technique when wrapping up. Sure could have used that last year instead of all those dive tackles.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:04 am to xxKylexx
quote:
You realize the Saints have more picks to come right? The best 3-4 DL were off the board and he was considered the best S prospect out there. It was a value pick instead of reaching for someone else. Granted I would have been alright with Datone Jones, but Vaccaro wants to play and he's a Saint now, so I'm all in.
You just summed up why it's a bad pick IMO. Safety is arguably the least valuable position in today's defense. Unless you have Troy P or Ed Reed in their prime there's not that much value at the position anymore.
An elite DL trumps almost any safety and its not even remotely close.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 12:06 am
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:08 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:Which made the taking of OGs prior to the Saints pick more glaring when the Saints picked a S.
An elite DL trumps almost any safety and its not even remotely close.
Let the Cowboys take a S or G. Saints need front 7 playmakers. Front 7 > back 4 given the choice.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:08 am to Interception
Vaccaro and Harper are not similar. Texas used Vaccaro in the slot as a nickle cover man so he is far more versatile than Harper. Vaccaro is a better athlete. Harper was considered a reach when the Saints took him in the second round while Vaccaro was rated right where he was picked.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 12:10 am
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:20 am to Suntiger
quote:
I think it was the fact that everyone wanted Jones and things had to fall in place, and they did, for him to fall to us and we didn't take him.
Yep, it just took me way off guard. I hoped that somehow Jones would fall to us. Once he did, I thought for sure he would be a Saints. I really wanted to throw up after they announced the pick.
quote:
The more I read though, the more I like the pick. Kind of worried about the maturity, but he's coming to a strong locker room and just had a kid, so I hope all that's behind him.
Agreed.
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