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Take a guess who bell compares to
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:03 pm
Byrd
Below is the PFF draft profile for OSU’s Vonn Bell, which incorporates PFF’s college grades and scouting intel from our team of analysts. To see all of PFF’s 2016 scouting reports, click here.
Position fit: 2-high safety
Stats to know: Graded positively in both coverage and the run game in 2015, but was only the 22nd-highest graded safety in the class
What he does best:
• Wraps up in the tackle, something too few players do. Wasn’t immune to missing anyway, with nine missed tackles on the season, but would go for the legs and bring his man to ground well most of the time
• Understands angles and works to the right spot to make a play on the ball or cut off the route rather than just heading for the receiver. Would routinely scare quarterbacks away from making a pass into his coverage because of the angle he was coming at and closing the window
• Comes up pretty quickly in a straight line on receiver screens and the run game. Is all about closing off space and minimizing the success of the play whatever the situation
• Made a spectacular grab on a deflected pass that most receivers couldn’t manage, so has some ball skills
Biggest concern:
• Looks pretty slow to do most things. No suddenness to his movement, is more about getting to the right spot and containing the play rather than bursting to make a positive impact. Ran a 4.51 40 at his pro day, so not a bad athlete, but just doesn’t play fast
• Wraps up in the tackle at the expense of attacking the ball-carrier and delivering the hit. Is the nail rather than the hammer too often, and waits for the runner to get to him. Nine missed tackles is too much for a player who is usually in the right spot
• Can be blocked out of the play by bigger players and won’t challenge strength too often, hoping instead to just maintain position and force the play back towards help
Player comparison: Jairus Byrd, New Orleans Saints. In the scheme he landed in when he came into the league, Jairus Byrd was an excellent free safety, because he was allowed to cheat with his depth and make plays on the ball. Removed from that scheme he appears more of an average player with good ball skills, and doesn’t have the athleticism or speed on tape to make the same impact he could in his previous scheme. I wonder if the same thing is true for Bell, limiting him to a two-high scheme.
Bottom line: Vonn Bell is one of the best safety prospects available this season, but it’s difficult to pin down too much he does exceptionally well, looking more like a solid player taking advantage of being on a very good defense at Ohio State. I can’t see him having the capability to play either high or low in a scheme that plays a lot of cover-1 or cover-3 with a single high safety and a box safety, but he could do a solid job as a two-high player.
Below is the PFF draft profile for OSU’s Vonn Bell, which incorporates PFF’s college grades and scouting intel from our team of analysts. To see all of PFF’s 2016 scouting reports, click here.
Position fit: 2-high safety
Stats to know: Graded positively in both coverage and the run game in 2015, but was only the 22nd-highest graded safety in the class
What he does best:
• Wraps up in the tackle, something too few players do. Wasn’t immune to missing anyway, with nine missed tackles on the season, but would go for the legs and bring his man to ground well most of the time
• Understands angles and works to the right spot to make a play on the ball or cut off the route rather than just heading for the receiver. Would routinely scare quarterbacks away from making a pass into his coverage because of the angle he was coming at and closing the window
• Comes up pretty quickly in a straight line on receiver screens and the run game. Is all about closing off space and minimizing the success of the play whatever the situation
• Made a spectacular grab on a deflected pass that most receivers couldn’t manage, so has some ball skills
Biggest concern:
• Looks pretty slow to do most things. No suddenness to his movement, is more about getting to the right spot and containing the play rather than bursting to make a positive impact. Ran a 4.51 40 at his pro day, so not a bad athlete, but just doesn’t play fast
• Wraps up in the tackle at the expense of attacking the ball-carrier and delivering the hit. Is the nail rather than the hammer too often, and waits for the runner to get to him. Nine missed tackles is too much for a player who is usually in the right spot
• Can be blocked out of the play by bigger players and won’t challenge strength too often, hoping instead to just maintain position and force the play back towards help
Player comparison: Jairus Byrd, New Orleans Saints. In the scheme he landed in when he came into the league, Jairus Byrd was an excellent free safety, because he was allowed to cheat with his depth and make plays on the ball. Removed from that scheme he appears more of an average player with good ball skills, and doesn’t have the athleticism or speed on tape to make the same impact he could in his previous scheme. I wonder if the same thing is true for Bell, limiting him to a two-high scheme.
Bottom line: Vonn Bell is one of the best safety prospects available this season, but it’s difficult to pin down too much he does exceptionally well, looking more like a solid player taking advantage of being on a very good defense at Ohio State. I can’t see him having the capability to play either high or low in a scheme that plays a lot of cover-1 or cover-3 with a single high safety and a box safety, but he could do a solid job as a two-high player.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:04 pm to geauxtigers87
to be fair to jairus, he isn't being used like he probably should be. Need to let him play super deep like he did for the bills.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:07 pm to geauxtigers87
Is it possible that we are looking to trade Byrd? Perhaps for an interior offensive lineman? Don't know how realistic, or if there are any advantages to the cap, just spit ballin.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:09 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
quote:
trade Byrd?
we lost Bush in FA... we have no depth at S... trading Byrd is not even a remote possibility....
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:09 pm to chRxis
quote:
trading Byrd is not even a remote possibility.
got it. Haven't remotely been paying attention this offseason.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:11 pm to HMTVBrian2
Wut? We let Byrd play way off.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:11 pm to HMTVBrian2
quote:i swear I've seen Byrd in section 303 on some 2nd and 2's
Need to let him play super deep like he did for the b
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:17 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
Good depth and gives you two safeties with a knack to find the ball as Vaccaro plays in the box and nickel.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:18 pm to geauxtigers87
I thought you were gonna say Malcolm Jenkins
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:21 pm to htran90
They said Bell could also slide down and play nickel as well... I like the pick.. I feel like we got three solid picks, I'm not mad about losing the 3rd and 4th
Are we going into next year with all of our picks??
Are we going into next year with all of our picks??
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:23 pm to Mr. Hangover
Double Byrd to the doubters?
or even
or even
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:26 pm to Mr. Hangover
If Bell can slide down to the nickel that would be interesting. I don't like him in the box though. I'd rather have Vaccoro in the big nickel spot.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:28 pm to geauxtigers87
Other than the tackling, sounds like Sammy Knight to me.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:51 pm to geauxtigers87
This might be a matter regarding the now-classic line for us: now that we can maybe get some pressure on the QB with more than one talent on the D-line, perhaps our DB's can play like they can and make an impact instead of having to cover receivers for a fortnight at a time.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 11:03 pm to rmnldr
quote:
If Bell can slide down to the nickel that would be interesting. I don't like him in the box though. I'd rather have Vaccoro in the big nickel spot.
You can shift and disguise with all three safeties on the field. You can have both Vaccaro and Bell around the line at the start and move them after, causing confusion.
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