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re: So our past few offseasons have just been absolutely terrible
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that shite is surreal at this point
This.
I have zero belief that this front office will recover. I expect some 6,7,8 win season (if lucky) for drew from here on out
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:19 pm to danfraz
They've rebuilt this team twice before. I'd have more confidence in them than most NFL front offices
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:43 pm to TigerBait1127
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They've rebuilt this team twice before
what times?
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:59 pm to Chad504boy
ok, now how so?
06's of course. With that 06 draft being especially important.
i don't consider 09 or 13 to be a re-build. just normal subtractions/additions that most NFL teams go thru.
A lot of continuity from 06 to 09. With 1 or 2 decent players per year from otherwise terrible draft classes.
06's of course. With that 06 draft being especially important.
i don't consider 09 or 13 to be a re-build. just normal subtractions/additions that most NFL teams go thru.
A lot of continuity from 06 to 09. With 1 or 2 decent players per year from otherwise terrible draft classes.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:04 pm to Lester Earl
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i don't consider 09
'12 7-9
'08 8-8
'07 7-9
you are obviously conceeding if we "rebuild" from last year's 7-9, it's a rebuild.
same record as previous years before the next successful seasons.
09 and 13 both had coaching staff D coordinator changes. But i can sit here and show you the world but it wouldn't change your agenda/opinion.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:20 pm to Chad504boy
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09 and 13 both had coaching staff D coordinator changes
hey that's great, but who are the chefs?
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:22 pm to Chad504boy
he said we rebuilt the teams. A swing in the records isn't always indicative of that.
I follow the Saints as close as anyone, Im just trying to think of what drastically changed. I sometimes forget, my memory is getting bad.
I follow the Saints as close as anyone, Im just trying to think of what drastically changed. I sometimes forget, my memory is getting bad.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:23 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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And how different would this have been w/ Stills in the mix? He actually falls under the description "young, a mess, and unproven".
i agree. stills is more proven than everybody except cooks and colston, though. but if we had cap room, we may have been able to address that position
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:24 pm to danfraz
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I expect some 6,7,8 win season (if lucky) for drew from here on out
Not sure about that. I see the big picture. Like I said, it reminds me of Denver in 1995-1997. They drafted guys like Allen Aldridge OLB, Terrell Davis RB, John Mobley ILB, Tory James CB, Byron Chamberlain TE, Dan Niel OG and Trevor Pryce DE. They were building defense and the running game to help an aging John Elway who had been carrying the team.
We brought in Spiller, Byrd, Browner and drafted Peat, Anthony, Pineapple Express and P.J. Williams. Not saying it will pay off this year, but you can see the front office rebuilding "the team" to help an aging Brees who has been carrying the team.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:29 pm to Lester Earl
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what times?
2006, 2009 or 2013. Pick 2
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:30 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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this falls under the whole hindsight is 20/20.
100% agree. there is a LOT of hindsight bias going on in my posts. i fully admit that. but like i said i heard about junior's melt really late last night and after thinking about all of this in totality (again, in hindsight) i was like holy shite it has been BAD the past couple offseasons
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:32 pm to TigerBait1127
what were the rebuilding points in 2009?
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:32 pm to Suntiger
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it reminds me of Denver in 1995-1997. They drafted guys like Allen Aldridge OLB, Terrell Davis RB, John Mobley ILB, Tory James CB, Byron Chamberlain TE, Dan Niel OG and Trevor Pryce DE. They were building defense and the running game to help an aging John Elway who had been carrying the team.
We brought in Spiller, Byrd, Browner and drafted Peat, Anthony, Pineapple Express and P.J. Williams. Not saying it will pay off this year, but you can see the front office rebuilding "the team" to help an aging Brees who has been carrying the team.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
I agree, our relative instability compared to the Packers, Seahawks, Patriots, Ravens, Colts, Broncos, is frustrating.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:47 pm to Suntiger
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but you can see the front office rebuilding "the team" to help an aging Brees who has been carrying the team.
they traded his 2 best targets
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i mean we strengthened what used to be the team we knew we'd meet up with in the playoffs because of our ineptitude.
Assuming that QB doesn't get the big bucks.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:52 pm to Lester Earl
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they traded his 2 best targets
added Spiller and Cooks > Stills.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
I agree with you for the most part. I do disagree with you regarding trading Graham. I think that was a great move and we got max value for him. We were able to basically revamp our OL which is arguably the most important position group that will help Brees succeed. Put it this way, I would rather have Brees throwing with time to Watson and Hill than Brees scrambling for his life to make time to throw to Graham.
With that said, I can't find many other places to argue with you. Since Bounty Gate our management team has made some major gaffes. Giving a new contract to a frickup like Junior right before cutting him was the biggest of them IMO. He was already coming off a subpar year.
I strongly agree with you that our future is tied to success via the draft. A team simply cannot consistently whiff on the draft because the only other way to build is via FA and that is expensive.
To end on an optimistic note, I really like our draft last year more than any since Sean has been our coach.
With that said, I can't find many other places to argue with you. Since Bounty Gate our management team has made some major gaffes. Giving a new contract to a frickup like Junior right before cutting him was the biggest of them IMO. He was already coming off a subpar year.
I strongly agree with you that our future is tied to success via the draft. A team simply cannot consistently whiff on the draft because the only other way to build is via FA and that is expensive.
To end on an optimistic note, I really like our draft last year more than any since Sean has been our coach.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 3:00 pm to Chad504boy
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added Spiller and Cooks > Stills.
Stills, cooks, Graham > Cooks, Spiller
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