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re: Saints GM: “No progress” on talks with Brees
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:43 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:43 pm to Chad504boy
I think it's time to wait this one out! Love me some Brees but he will hog tie the cap at 37 years old. Smart money waits! I Don't see us going very far this year. We get a franchise player in the draft next year add a journey man QB if on roster ones don't work out and move on from there...It's been fun but all good things come to an end.
Go Saints!
Go Saints!
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 1:49 pm
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Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:03 pm to Big Sway
The hog tying is not what he will get per year but in the number of years its guaranteed. There's the rub.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:18 pm to Tigers_Saints
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Drew is getting $20m this year
Yes, you're correct. I got his cap hit ($30M) mixed up w/ his salary ($20M).
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Besides the fact that he'd be a free agent
That is not enough of a factor to give him big money right now. Even if they wait, it is still gonna cost them a lick, but that will be offset (somewhat) by the fact he is a year older.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:20 pm to goatmilker
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the number of years its guaranteed
Exactly.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 3:01 pm to VetteGuy
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That is not enough of a factor to give him big money right now.
I'd say it is a pretty huge leverage point for Drew Brees actually.
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Even if they wait, it is still gonna cost them a lick
Could cost them more, or he could choose to play somewhere else. It takes 1 offer from a team like Cleveland with $150 million in cap space in 2017 and 2018.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 3:46 pm to Tigers_Saints
OK, so what should they do?
Sign him right now for 3 years guaranteed, say $75M?
Sign him right now for 3 years guaranteed, say $75M?
Posted on 7/28/16 at 3:49 pm to VetteGuy
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OK, so what should they do?
probably try to work for a solution instead of closing talks for 3 months. Personally, I'd rather a 4 year deal with a team option after years 2 and 3, similar to his current contract in structure (without the escrow)
How far away can they really be if they were going to be able to land Norman for a big contract? That only made sense with an extension.
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Sign him right now for 3 years guaranteed, say $75M?
Well I doubt the contract would be structured that way. But I have a feeling he wants 4 years. $25m would be a good # though. We've had a history of coming down to the last minute on a lot of contracts under Loomis, and it has cost us cap space. If he plays out this season, he'll be able to get over $25m from some team.
But there are certainly reasons to get a deal done this offseason before the a Saints leverage goes out the window. I'd call that a business incentive. Saying otherwise is silly.
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:28 pm to Tigers_Saints
I'm not following you.
I agree that the Saints have some incentive to sign him now, to avoid a possible bidding war for his services. I just don't think is enough of an incentive for them to get a deal done.
If he was 32, yes. Not at 37, though.
I agree that the Saints have some incentive to sign him now, to avoid a possible bidding war for his services. I just don't think is enough of an incentive for them to get a deal done.
If he was 32, yes. Not at 37, though.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:34 pm to VetteGuy
I posted a link earlier about how many QB's have played past 40, think it was 18 TOTAL, in as long as the NFL has been around. The article also said only a handful have been effective.
So, I may be wrong but I think the Saints want to pay him till 40 and not past 40, at least not guaranteed $$.
So, I may be wrong but I think the Saints want to pay him till 40 and not past 40, at least not guaranteed $$.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:41 pm to VetteGuy
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I'm not following you
Which part?
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If he was 32, yes. Not at 37, though.
Then be prepared to be the Browns, or the Saints before Brees. Not signing him this year will either 1) cost us more cap space, just like in 2012 or 2) frick the franchise over where we get absolutely nothing for a HoF QB that just played some of the best football he's ever played. I'd prefer not to become the old Saints or the Browns just yet.
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:42 pm to t00f
Yeah, I read that. Excellent post. 
If anyone can do it, Drew can, especially if someone tells him he can't.
I read his book and I admire him greatly and it has nothing to do with football.
But as we often hear, this (football) is a business. It is hard enough to manage a cap with a HOF quarterback's salary. It would be even harder if that HOF QB was not effective and the team had all that money tied up.
If anyone can do it, Drew can, especially if someone tells him he can't.
I read his book and I admire him greatly and it has nothing to do with football.
But as we often hear, this (football) is a business. It is hard enough to manage a cap with a HOF quarterback's salary. It would be even harder if that HOF QB was not effective and the team had all that money tied up.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:44 pm to Tigers_Saints
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Which part?
It seemed like you felt the team should try and get a deal done; that their incentive was great, so they should do it.
I may be misreading how much weight you put on that, though.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:49 pm to VetteGuy
The incentive is great, I added this to my previous post:
Once Drew plays out the risk of the 2016 season, he has a chance to be the only elite QB to ever hit the FA market (without a broken neck). That is going to increase his price, and won't be offset by a desperate team, like the Browns with $150m in cap space over a 2 year window, offering him an egregious contract. He may not end up taking that deal, but it is going to drive up ours IF he decides to stay.
You can structure the contract to protect the team from a possible drop off in play in 3-4 years.
If he's asking for 3 years $25 million, I'd do that in heartbeat. You have to remember the constant leap the cap has made from year to year, and the new advantages of the draft. Taking a cap hit in 1 year doesn't have to be the end of the world and could actually be the best thing for the franchise once he retires.
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Then be prepared to be the Browns, or the Saints before Brees. Not signing him this year will either
1) cost us more cap space, just like in 2012 or
2) frick the franchise over where we get absolutely nothing for a HoF QB that just played some of the best football he's ever played.
I'd prefer not to become the old Saints or the Browns just yet.
Once Drew plays out the risk of the 2016 season, he has a chance to be the only elite QB to ever hit the FA market (without a broken neck). That is going to increase his price, and won't be offset by a desperate team, like the Browns with $150m in cap space over a 2 year window, offering him an egregious contract. He may not end up taking that deal, but it is going to drive up ours IF he decides to stay.
You can structure the contract to protect the team from a possible drop off in play in 3-4 years.
If he's asking for 3 years $25 million, I'd do that in heartbeat. You have to remember the constant leap the cap has made from year to year, and the new advantages of the draft. Taking a cap hit in 1 year doesn't have to be the end of the world and could actually be the best thing for the franchise once he retires.
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:53 pm to Tigers_Saints
I think the guaranteed money is the hang up, tbh.
What do you think he wants?
I have no idea on the $ amount.
What do you think he wants?
I have no idea on the $ amount.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:55 pm to VetteGuy
If its 4/100 I'd say 60mil while we're willing to give closer to 50.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:55 pm to VetteGuy
Vette hates Drew and wants to go to the days we longed for an Aaron brooks
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:58 pm to VetteGuy
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I think the guaranteed money is the hang up, tbh.
It is the only thing that really matters. That and the years
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What do you think he wants?
I have no idea. Probably around $25 million. I wish we would take the Pats approach and extend our cornerstones 2-3 years early. They take that risk and get a discount in return
Posted on 7/28/16 at 5:01 pm to Tigers_Saints
We did do that for junior and cam lol
Posted on 7/28/16 at 5:01 pm to Tigers_Saints
We did do that for junior and cam lol
Posted on 7/28/16 at 5:04 pm to Drillingman
You seriously need to just stfu. You have no clue what you're even talking about..
Idiot.
Idiot.
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