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Posted on 4/7/16 at 5:54 pm to smash williams
the Saints started off in 1967 trading Bill Curry, a solid center, 1969 7th, 1967 3rd, and the #1 overall pick (Bubba Smith) for the Colts backup to Unitas, Gary Cuozzo who had started 3 games and threw 208 passes total. He couldn't even beat out Billy Kilmer for the job.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:48 pm to Mr. Hangover
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Wrong.. What if we develop him as a quality backup and get something in return for him??
What could we possibly get in return that would justify having taken him? A 3rd in the hand is worth a 2nd in the bush. And I can't see a scenario where he plays well enough to show he is worth a 2nd or 1st to another team without being worth more to us as a starter. I agree that if he doesn't wind up starting, it was a wasted pick. And like someone mentioned earlier, we aren't in a position to be wasting picks in the early rounds.
That said, meeting with QBs means nothing. It could be leverage against Drew, a ploy to get someone to trade up either with us or above us to grab a QB we were never going to take. But, it's likely just doing their due diligence. If they have a QB ranked 15 overall on their big board and he's still there at 42, that value is too good to pass up. Chances are terribly slim that will play itself out that way, though.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:49 pm to blueslover
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the Saints started off in 1967 trading Bill Curry, a solid center, 1969 7th, 1967 3rd, and the #1 overall pick (Bubba Smith) for the Colts backup to Unitas, Gary Cuozzo who had started 3 games and threw 208 passes total. He
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:59 pm to smash williams
The Grayson pick puzzles me for a couple of reasons, mainly being that I just assumed that was Sean's pick all the way. He's the QB guru--I assumed he saw something special in him and had to have him at that price. I figured Loomis and Ireland have to cater to Sean in the early rounds. Fair enough. But I also think he really thought he was gonna bounce after last season. It looked at times like he was kinda phoning it in during and with all the talk after the season, it was pretty clear he was seriously entertaining leaving. I have no doubt that if the right fit had come along after the season, he would have bounced.
So, why take a flyer on a project QB in the 3rd if he knew there was a chance good chance he might not be there to groom him? In hindsight, that pick now looks like it was made by someone who had a more long-term plan for the organization. I don't know. Still baffled.
So, why take a flyer on a project QB in the 3rd if he knew there was a chance good chance he might not be there to groom him? In hindsight, that pick now looks like it was made by someone who had a more long-term plan for the organization. I don't know. Still baffled.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:10 pm to Hot Carl
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But I also think he really thought he was gonna bounce after last season.
Maybe he never planned on leaving. If that's the case...then everything makes sense.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:46 pm to Chad504boy
What we know at this moment fair to Grayson or not is we traded starters to acquire the pick to stash him on the bench.
Due diligence or not "if" we drafted another QB in the 1st 3 rounds a year later that would be blatant incompetence frick negligence.
His short and long term goals involve supplanting our HOF QB. So he is either a detriment to our current direction as a team with limited options in acquiring talent or he is a wasted pick altogether due to the pending Drew extension that will force him into FA to pursue a starting job elsewhere.
The pick will never be validated especially after Luke's performance on the road against the NFC champs and MVP of 2015 unless Grayson becomes the heir to Drew.
Due diligence or not "if" we drafted another QB in the 1st 3 rounds a year later that would be blatant incompetence frick negligence.
His short and long term goals involve supplanting our HOF QB. So he is either a detriment to our current direction as a team with limited options in acquiring talent or he is a wasted pick altogether due to the pending Drew extension that will force him into FA to pursue a starting job elsewhere.
The pick will never be validated especially after Luke's performance on the road against the NFC champs and MVP of 2015 unless Grayson becomes the heir to Drew.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:11 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:That's pretty much guaranteed at this point. And if Drew has another great year and leads his team to the playoffs, he'll demand even more money than he is now.
Drew might very well play out his contract this year.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:26 pm to JazzyJeff
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And if Drew has another great year and leads his team to the playoffs, he'll demand even more money than he is now.
Maybe because of the cap getting bigger, but I'm not sure. When you're that old(relatively), a year can make a big difference. I'd rather negotiate at 37 coming off a healthy and league-leading passing season than 38 with who knows what kind of season or shape. Peyton Mainning went from setting all time records and winning the MVP in his 37-year-old season to a weak-armed sort of embarrassment just 2 years later. And he's 6'5". Drew is barely 6'0". I think he's taking a pretty big gamble not extending now. I hope to God it's not true, but I'd bet he's in at least a little worse negotiating place this time next year.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:30 pm to JazzyJeff
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JazzyJeff
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:21 am to Hot Carl
quote:This may be true, but keep in mind this truth that too many Saints fans can't accept...Drew doesn't give a frick about the team, the city, or its fan base; he was offered a more than reasonable contract extension but refused to sign it because he wanted more per year and more guaranteed.
Maybe because of the cap getting bigger, but I'm not sure. When you're that old(relatively), a year can make a big difference. I'd rather negotiate at 37 coming off a healthy and league-leading passing season than 38 with who knows what kind of season or shape. Peyton Mainning went from setting all time records and winning the MVP in his 37-year-old season to a weak-armed sort of embarrassment just 2 years later. And he's 6'5". Drew is barely 6'0". I think he's taking a pretty big gamble not extending now. I hope to God it's not true, but I'd bet he's in at least a little worse negotiating place this time next year.
He will play out his contract and unless the Saints offer him a contract next year that will make him the highest paid QB in the history of the world, he will walk and sign with whoever ponies up the most money.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:41 am to JazzyJeff
Granted, he is beloved by Saints fans(and I agree wth you that the feeling is not quite mutual), but he is pretty transparently a business man. That doesn't preclude him from loving and being dedicated to the team--I think he works his arse off to be the best he can be, which only helps the Saints. The difference between him and Brady is that Brady cares more about his image--I think he is extremely determined to go down as the best of all time. His legacy as the best is most important to him, Drew seems to be settling for being the best he can be. Both are selfish in that they're so into people's perception of them, but us regular Joes seem to respect Brady's "sacrifice" more because he appears to be taking less to,help the team. But to be fair, Drews wife is not balling out of control like Giselle.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:41 am to JazzyJeff
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That's pretty much guaranteed at this point. And if Drew has another great year and leads his team to the playoffs, he'll demand even more money than he is now.
I know it doesn't sound ideal, but what if he sucks arse this year, we get a top 5 pick next year, get a franchise QB and move on. We would have a ton of money to gather pieces around the young QB. Doesn't sound that bad honestly.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:59 am to blueslover
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the Saints started off in 1967 trading Bill Curry, a solid center, 1969 7th, 1967 3rd, and the #1 overall pick (Bubba Smith) for the Colts backup to Unitas, Gary Cuozzo who had started 3 games and threw 208 passes total. He couldn't even beat out Billy Kilmer for the job.
I went to three games in 1967 and GC was beyond horrible.
Thanks for ruining my Friday.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:17 am to mattgr1983
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I know it doesn't sound ideal, but what if he sucks arse this year,
I don't see that happening. He looked incredible after his injury last year.
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We would have a ton of money to gather pieces around the young QB. Doesn't sound that bad honestly.
And what if that QB is terrible? Browns, Jags, Raiders, Bills, Jets, Bucs, etc have taken a while to recover.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:29 am to JazzyJeff
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He will play out his contract and unless the Saints offer him a contract next year that will make him the highest paid QB in the history of the world, he will walk and sign with whoever ponies up the most money.
According to you, they already offered him that, and he turned it down
Derp
Tell me more about Payton being a lock to leave for Dallas.
Oh wait, your source is actually Sean Payton
This post was edited on 4/8/16 at 11:35 am
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:54 am to WhoDat937
Of course that can happen, but we are facing that scenario in the near future regardless.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 12:03 pm to mattgr1983
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Of course that can happen, but we are facing that scenario in the near future regardless.
So let's ride the Hall of Fame QB as long as possible rather than taking that gamble
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