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re: Rob Ryan talking shite about his time with the Saints
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:24 am to pmacneworleans
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:24 am to pmacneworleans
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he had me until he started praising the play of Harper/Jenkins while they were here. In looking at how those 2 have played since they moved to other teams, it makes a strong argument that Ryans' system was flawed.
Actually it's the opposite. They both played well in 2013 and both have excelled with their new teams. Look at 2014 and 2015 when they were gone and we went all on Byrd who hasn't done anything for us.
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:26 am to Hoodoo Man
I don't think Payton took over the defense in 2014, but at the same time the signing of Byrd probably put a lot of pressure on Ryan to change up things schematically.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:36 am to Brettesaurus Rex
You're letting hindsight object your views. We had a top 5 defense, yet we had the two worst rated safeties.
Our success was the pass rush and having two legit #1 corners. Look what happened when white stepped in for greer, that defense was not top 5 worthy. Hell no
Our success was the pass rush and having two legit #1 corners. Look what happened when white stepped in for greer, that defense was not top 5 worthy. Hell no
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:42 am to htran90
it's not talking shite when it is largely the truth. I have always felt he got kind f a raw deal in some regards during his time here.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:45 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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They both played well in 2013
Again, no, they didn't.
Jenkins has flourished in Philly, and Harper has had flashes, but he's still a one trick pony who easily gets clowned in coverage.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:46 am to Patrick O Rly
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he signing of Byrd probably put a lot of pressure on Ryan to change up things schematically.
Lazy arse wasn't going to do THAT.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:03 am to sicboy
why should he have though? the scheme was good, then the HC gets a player signed that doesn't really fit the scheme, and kinda forces it to be changed.
seems to me that its breaking what isn't broken.
seems to me that its breaking what isn't broken.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:07 am to sicboy
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This is the part I don't get, and I'm not saying it's not true, but is he THAT much of a control freak? I can't imagine CSP having that much input on the defensive side of the ball. At least not more than "get Drew the ball back".
Payton is basically the co-GM. I could see Payton saying he wanted to run a defense like Seattle or New England and forcing Loomis to make team building moves in that direction.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:08 am to Thracken13
We had no playmakers back there, we get one, why not make some adjustments. I'm not sure I buy Ryan's claim that he was forced to build the entire defense around Byrd. His Jenkins "all pro" makes him seem like an emotional hot head who will say just about anything to make his point. Maybe some of it is factual, but probably a lot of embellishing.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:10 am to LSUlefty
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I don't disagree with what he said. Should've never let Jenkins walk.
that's all easier said in hind sight. He wasn't performing in the Saints garbage system
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:25 am to Patrick O Rly
Good? More like mediocre. Nowhere near the level they have displayed since they have moved to other teams. I wish Ryan well. But, what happened in NO, is the same damn thing that happened in Dallas.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:25 am to sicboy
i think your not getting a true view of the situation from either side.
like I said before - I think Ryan got a raw deal in some aspects of his time here. I also believe CSP meddled in the defense more than he is admitting.
you do have to admit though, signing a player to the team to play defense and not seeking any feedback from your D Coordinator, then expecting him to make the scheme changes to be able to plug this player in is fundamentally wrong.
like I said before - I think Ryan got a raw deal in some aspects of his time here. I also believe CSP meddled in the defense more than he is admitting.
you do have to admit though, signing a player to the team to play defense and not seeking any feedback from your D Coordinator, then expecting him to make the scheme changes to be able to plug this player in is fundamentally wrong.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:28 am to sicboy
Why's it surprising when he's been through like 5 DCs since he's been here?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:36 am to deuce985
He's only fired 3(Gibbs/Ryan/Spags)
GW pretty much had to go due to the bountygate bullshite and that is what honestly caused most of this mess.
GW pretty much had to go due to the bountygate bullshite and that is what honestly caused most of this mess.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:37 am to LosLobos111
Also, Spags was around one year.......that year that Payton was suspended.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 2:18 pm to hendersonshands
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think everything starts with the head coach and goes higher than that. They signed players; they signed a free-agent free safety [Jairus Byrd in 2014], and said, we are going to keep him in the middle of the field like the goalpost. Well, that’s great. He’s not going to make one play back there, and now we have changed the entire defense for one signing, and it ruined us.
So basically confirming what we all know to be true about Payton, his crossfit mafia, and his unwillingness to let someone have complete control over the defense.
That's not talking shite, it's just telling the truth. Some of us around here have been saying this about Payton for a while now.
The last guy who had complete and total control over the defense won us a superbowl and the Goodell butt fricked this franchise into the ground.
#bringback3G #nevershouldvedropped3G
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 5/27/16 at 2:25 pm to LosLobos111
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GW pretty much had to go due to the bountygate bullshite
I wish everyday we would've kept him.
1. Because he's the best DC we had under Payton
2. Because frick Roger Goodell
Posted on 5/27/16 at 2:48 pm to Breesus
I can completely see Payton forcing the Byrd change onto Ryan in 2013. As good as the defense was that year, it didn't force turnovers which ultimately cost the Saints in several games, and they had numerous late game collapses that wouldn't have happened in Payton's mind if we were able to play strong on the back end of plays.
Payton went out and got the best deep fielding safety in the game supposedly and then basically forced Ryan's hand.
Payton wanted to recreate the 2009 defense IMO and that is where it fell apart. That was a magical season and even in 2010 with basically the same team they couldn't repeat the turnovers produced that year.
I am not saying Ryan was a great coordinator that was screwed 6 ways to Sunday, but I completely believe that Payton meddled, and they had specific intentions for their huge investment in Byrd.
Payton went out and got the best deep fielding safety in the game supposedly and then basically forced Ryan's hand.
Payton wanted to recreate the 2009 defense IMO and that is where it fell apart. That was a magical season and even in 2010 with basically the same team they couldn't repeat the turnovers produced that year.
I am not saying Ryan was a great coordinator that was screwed 6 ways to Sunday, but I completely believe that Payton meddled, and they had specific intentions for their huge investment in Byrd.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 2:53 pm to hendersonshands
Sean and Mickey screwed the pooch. Rob was the fall guy. It's bit more than just at safety though. The byrd pickup was completely stupid, and here we are two years later and he's still a complete disaster.
Sean got a raise.
Sean got a raise.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 2:56 pm to Patrick O Rly
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I don't think Payton took over the defense in 2014, but at the same time the signing of Byrd probably put a lot of pressure on Ryan to change up things schematically.
Changed Vaccaro's game dramatically.
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