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Rational Cap Analysis for the NFC South
Posted on 3/5/14 at 5:29 am
Posted on 3/5/14 at 5:29 am
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Overview: Mickey Loomis already brushed through the first loop of salary cap hell by trimming veteran defenders. The next step for New Orleans is actually finishing up a Graham extension, thus lowering his cap figure for this year to an amount that would enable them to deal with their restricted free agents and maybe put some small effort into players like Zach Strief and Brian De La Puente.
If the Saints can't deal with Graham, then things become a lot more complicated. They'd almost have to restructure Brees to create space for their rookie class, and it would be much harder to make a real effort at retaining Bush.
But, in the more likely event that negotiations with Graham go smoothly, New Orleans should be able to add a few small free agents and conduct business normally for 2014. The one other thing they'd probably like to do is sign Cameron Jordan to an extension before he hits free agency after 2014 -- that could be a little more complicated, but it wouldn't be completely impossible if the Saints got Graham's cap number to be rather tidy for 2014.
Overview: Mickey Loomis already brushed through the first loop of salary cap hell by trimming veteran defenders. The next step for New Orleans is actually finishing up a Graham extension, thus lowering his cap figure for this year to an amount that would enable them to deal with their restricted free agents and maybe put some small effort into players like Zach Strief and Brian De La Puente.
If the Saints can't deal with Graham, then things become a lot more complicated. They'd almost have to restructure Brees to create space for their rookie class, and it would be much harder to make a real effort at retaining Bush.
But, in the more likely event that negotiations with Graham go smoothly, New Orleans should be able to add a few small free agents and conduct business normally for 2014. The one other thing they'd probably like to do is sign Cameron Jordan to an extension before he hits free agency after 2014 -- that could be a little more complicated, but it wouldn't be completely impossible if the Saints got Graham's cap number to be rather tidy for 2014.
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:27 am to Sophandros
So he's advocating kicking the can down the road some more with another big contract... Awesome
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 6:33 am
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:42 am to St Augustine
We have to win now!
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:23 am to St Augustine
Kicking the can down the road actually seems like the better play right now.
If the salary cap keeps going up like the expect it to then pushing back Brees' and Jimmy's contracts isn't a terrible idea.
If the salary cap keeps going up like the expect it to then pushing back Brees' and Jimmy's contracts isn't a terrible idea.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:34 am to Throbinhood
Yep. And that's the new normal in the NFL.
FWIW, I pointed out the increasing cap when Brees signed his deal.
FWIW, I pointed out the increasing cap when Brees signed his deal.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:36 am to St Augustine
Loomis almost always back loads and really it's the smart thing to do(as long as the signing bonus isn't too large, which is a problem no matter how it's structured).
As each year passes a player becomes easier to cut. If you back load then the player gets the allusion of the money per year he wants without ever making it to the end.
And then when they get to the last year or two (like with Moore, Sproles, and Thomas) they lose they're leverage and you can renegotiate to the benefit of the team(pay cut or cheaper extension) or cut them.
On the article, there are a few things he got wrong.
First, Graham is not getting done quick, especially not before free agency. Who knows how long arbitration will take, and then there is the big gap in price per year between sides.
Second is that we have just about enough to sign our rookies.
Third is that Jordan has a team 5th year option and should definitely not be touched this year. At the least next year acts as a exclusive rights franchise tags for half the price.
Fourth is that Bush will be easy to keep with just needing to clear $2m for the 2nd round tender. Now we do have to make more moves for other free agents, but we don't need to redo Brees (though looking at the numbers it's not as bad as I thought if we do him this year and then cheap extension next year).
As each year passes a player becomes easier to cut. If you back load then the player gets the allusion of the money per year he wants without ever making it to the end.
And then when they get to the last year or two (like with Moore, Sproles, and Thomas) they lose they're leverage and you can renegotiate to the benefit of the team(pay cut or cheaper extension) or cut them.
On the article, there are a few things he got wrong.
First, Graham is not getting done quick, especially not before free agency. Who knows how long arbitration will take, and then there is the big gap in price per year between sides.
Second is that we have just about enough to sign our rookies.
Third is that Jordan has a team 5th year option and should definitely not be touched this year. At the least next year acts as a exclusive rights franchise tags for half the price.
Fourth is that Bush will be easy to keep with just needing to clear $2m for the 2nd round tender. Now we do have to make more moves for other free agents, but we don't need to redo Brees (though looking at the numbers it's not as bad as I thought if we do him this year and then cheap extension next year).
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 7:42 am
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:38 am to Sophandros
Yeah Loomis definitely structured it with the TV deal in mind. But we got a bonus with the extra jump this year.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:41 am to bonethug0108
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:44 am to Patrick O Rly
It's all legit stuff. Sorry your attention span is too short for a novel.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:49 am to bonethug0108
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:54 am to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 3/5/14 at 8:14 am to Patrick O Rly
At least I try to break it up into readable chunks, which also makes it look longer than it really is.
I swear it's 10 inches though.
I swear it's 10 inches though.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 8:19 am to bonethug0108
I'm just keeping the joke alive. I don't really care. I skip over post I don't feel like reading all the time.
Hey, I've never had any complaints. I guess it's a pretty good size.
quote:
I swear it's 10 inches though.
Hey, I've never had any complaints. I guess it's a pretty good size.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:30 am to bonethug0108
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Loomis almost always back loads and really it's the smart thing to do(as long as the signing bonus isn't too large, which is a problem no matter how it's structured).
Not trying to be a dick, really just asking a question, but isn't back loading the contracts the reason why the Saints are currently in a tough spot cap space wise?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:38 am to Indfanfromcol
No, the reason we're in a tough spot cap-wise is because of the abundant amount of talent on the team, which Loomis brought here through excellent drafting and Free Agency acquisitions.
Thanks for your question!
Thanks for your question!
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:41 am to Indfanfromcol
Do you remember how your O and D lines went to shite while still being strapped for cap space? Yeah...
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:42 am to Indfanfromcol
You can be good and way under the cap quickly.
But to stay good over a period of time without the cap catching up to you and your players is almost impossible.
The leader in long term success is Pitt and look at the mess they are finally in this year!
Seattle and 49's we will see how they do long term.
But to stay good over a period of time without the cap catching up to you and your players is almost impossible.
The leader in long term success is Pitt and look at the mess they are finally in this year!
Seattle and 49's we will see how they do long term.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:44 am to Hoodoo Man
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No, the reason we're in a tough spot cap-wise is because of the abundant amount of talent on the team
You see, I thought this went with the pros and cons of back loading. Pro, you can bring in more talent than normal because most of it is back loaded, but con is that you get years like this where you have to trim down your roster.
I am not saying your GM is bad, I thought this year was just part of the back loading phase. But I have been wrong before. Like last year when I thought the Falcons would make it back to the playoffs.........
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:47 am to Indfanfromcol
quote:Unless the cap is increasing.
You see, I thought this went with the pros and cons of back loading. Pro, you can bring in more talent than normal because most of it is back loaded, but con is that you get years like this where you have to trim down your roster.
But that would never happen, right?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:52 am to Hoodoo Man
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Unless the cap is increasing.
But that would never happen, right?
Again, non of this was meant to be snarky. Was genuinely interested in the cause of the situation.
But with the cap increasing, and the falcons current great cap space (around 30 million by the time FA starts), I am hoping the falcons will do a little back loading to bring in more than 1 big name during free agency.
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