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Purposeful passing on guards in the draft?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:48 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:48 am
just a little blurb from Payton but I thought very insightful. They signed some UDFA OL with 5th Rd grades. There must be much discussion about passing on guys cuz ya believe they will be available as UDFAs.
Payton was explaining the process of getting these undrafted RFAs. Said its a lot easier to convince them if you don't draft that position
LINK
Payton was explaining the process of getting these undrafted RFAs. Said its a lot easier to convince them if you don't draft that position
LINK
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:02 am to blueslover
Yeah I figured once we passed in the second twice we would likely skip it in the draft. I thought maybe when we traded up in the fourth, but nope.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:32 am to blueslover
Guards rarely get drafted high. They had luck with Evans and Nicks so who knows.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:32 am to blueslover
Guards are not a high-demand position, like left tackles, shutdown corners, edge rushers, and franchise QBs. It's possibly the least-demanded position outside of special teams, except for maybe safety.
Unless you're getting a Will Shields/Randall McDaniel/Nate Newton, you don't have to go high to get one.
Unless you're getting a Will Shields/Randall McDaniel/Nate Newton, you don't have to go high to get one.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:49 am to blueslover
i made mention of this after the draft. It's actually a pretty solid strategy to show a need on roster to UDFA's at a positional group. Recruiting advantage, every year there's tons of talent at each position going undrafted. You're playing much better odds. Keep drafting guys that you have way higher on your board that fall.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:49 am to lsutigers1992
I rewatched this presser. Some good insights from 13:00. Payton talked about trying to sign A
Arian Foster as a UDFA
then saw...
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Arian Foster as a UDFA
then saw...
LINK
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 8:50 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:52 pm to blueslover
Might be a good move. I get the feeling one will pan out among the undrafted guys we got. If you draft one, you likely don't get the others. And they are all about even in prospects; so who's to say you would have picked the right one?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:58 pm to Scoob
UDFAs was our best option!
I hope it works out, but It's far more likely that these players are below average.
I don't get the gamble when our offense is guaranteed to be great with a strong line.
...unless it's Peat next year. He needs a jump and we could address OG next offseason.
I hope it works out, but It's far more likely that these players are below average.
I don't get the gamble when our offense is guaranteed to be great with a strong line.
...unless it's Peat next year. He needs a jump and we could address OG next offseason.
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:10 pm to drake20
If this is such a good strategy, then why draft anyone. Just wait until the draft is over, and contact all the UDFA's you'd like.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:45 am to djmicrobe
quote:
If this is such a good strategy, then why draft anyone. Just wait until the draft is over, and contact all the UDFA's you'd like.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:13 am to djmicrobe
quote:Well, you have to consider the talent pool.
If this is such a good strategy, then why draft anyone. Just wait until the draft is over, and contact all the UDFA's you'd like
If you have someone who really stands above the others at a position, you draft him.
If there are 3 still on the board when you draft, you might let it slide until the next round, figuring 1 will still be there next time, and pick someone else instead.
This seems to have happened all the way down the line, and we signed several as UDFA's.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:32 am to djmicrobe
quote:
If this is such a good strategy, then why draft anyone. Just wait until the draft is over, and contact all the UDFA's you'd like.
because there's a clear difference between 1st-4th round talents compared to 5th-7th round talents. as opposed to 5th-7th round talent, most UDFA that "fall" from the "5th round grade" are on par with those who were drafted.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:39 pm to htran90
If Rounds 1-4 are so much better than 5-7, then draft a guard with 3 or 4. Don't trade UP for onyamamma when you NEED a guard.
Drafting no guard, so you can hand select all the UDFAs you want is not a good strategy. There is a reason all teams passed on them for 7 rounds. Maybe the Saints get lucky with the UDFAs.
The number of times Brees gets sacked/hit will determine if this drafting method works. It didn't work well last year.
Drafting no guard, so you can hand select all the UDFAs you want is not a good strategy. There is a reason all teams passed on them for 7 rounds. Maybe the Saints get lucky with the UDFAs.
The number of times Brees gets sacked/hit will determine if this drafting method works. It didn't work well last year.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:17 pm to djmicrobe
quote:
If Rounds 1-4 are so much better than 5-7, then draft a guard with 3 or 4. Don't trade UP for onyamamma when you NEED a guard.
Drafting no guard, so you can hand select all the UDFAs you want is not a good strategy. There is a reason all teams passed on them for 7 rounds. Maybe the Saints get lucky with the UDFAs.
The number of times Brees gets sacked/hit will determine if this drafting method works. It didn't work well last year.
The only flaw with saying "trade up to get a guard", there were none worth taking at that point. The closest worthy guard was whitehair and we took michael thomas.
Not a single guard was taken in the 3rd round and in the 4th round, Ehinger, who was considered a "6th-7th round" guy which was right on par with Turner and Young, was the only one taken.
So you rather Ehinger than Turner/Young (even though technically Ehinger was taken before Onyemata as well...). Taking Ehinger means that Turner/Young may look elsewhere as well because the competition filled up even more for them to deal with.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 4:19 am to htran90
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The only flaw with saying "trade up to get a guard", there were none worth taking at that point. The closest worthy guard was whitehair and we took michael thomas.
I would have been fine with either of them at that spot. But I feel like Thomas could really pay off here. I don't know if I've ever been so excited recently at a WR picked in the draft for the Saints as I am with him.
when we picked Cooks I was kind of ticked we traded up to get him and gave up a 3rd but at the same time understood we needed an explosive WR like him.
the last time I can remember us picking a guard prospect that high was LeCharles Bentley also from Ohio St ironically.
with Thomas we needed a bigger WR to step in and replace Colston. Maybe Coleman does more this year or maybe he doesn't. But picking Thomas was a solid pick in my opinion.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 6:50 am to LooseCannon22282
And since I like posting this so much, here was our pre draft WR depth:
Cooks
Snead
Coleman
PS guys
Camp bodies
I did not want to see our offense with Coleman as the third receiver, and given the fact the Saints called Meachem pre draft just in case we didn't draft one I don't think they did either.
Cooks
Snead
Coleman
PS guys
Camp bodies
I did not want to see our offense with Coleman as the third receiver, and given the fact the Saints called Meachem pre draft just in case we didn't draft one I don't think they did either.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 7:45 am to bonethug0108
not saying it happened but can imagine in the draft room they saw in the 6th or 7th round that there were definitely several draftable guards that were being pushed down the board and would be available. I also do not doubt that in some predraft conversations they get a good read on which players really want to play in NOLA.
This class was noted by several publication as being the best, or among the best, this year in the NFL. For me, any UDFA that even makes the roster is a big win. I seriously expect one of these guys to make it as a swing guard-center at minimum.
This class was noted by several publication as being the best, or among the best, this year in the NFL. For me, any UDFA that even makes the roster is a big win. I seriously expect one of these guys to make it as a swing guard-center at minimum.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:50 am to blueslover
It was a very weak class for guards in general, and I would guess the Saints had a handful they rated as draft worthy, and the rest they felt would be available as UDFA.
Pretty good gamble by them, as they acquired a few with decent grades. Fingers crossed one can pan out.
Pretty good gamble by them, as they acquired a few with decent grades. Fingers crossed one can pan out.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:29 am to blueslover
Seems to really be working out for us
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:52 am to TigerBait1127
I mean the only guards worth a damn all got overdrafted, so it's not like we had a shot at any halfway decent potential guard.
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