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re: One team with a top 15 pick takes Reuben Foster off their board
Posted on 4/16/17 at 5:17 pm to BigBrod81
Posted on 4/16/17 at 5:17 pm to BigBrod81
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Even though Foster can move better than Ragland in coverage, that fact he would be fooled or confused with his responsibilities verses the pass, caused him to be out of position & give up plays at some crucial moments.
I know you looked at this from an extremely objective point of view, but PFF absolutely disagrees with you:
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This year’s linebacker class is very top-heavy, as there will be as many as four selected in the first round. Beyond the top tier there is a significant dropoff, as there are really questions as to the every-down viability of the rest of the class. This being said, the class has a good mix of strong run defenders and skilled coverage players, meaning teams should find plenty of value with Day 3 targets.
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Rankings
1. Reuben Foster, Alabama
Foster’s all-around athleticism is complemented nicely by his instincts, both against the run and pass. He led the country in run-stop percentage in 2016, making 52 run stops while missing just five tackles. Also a strong player in coverage, he gave up an average of just 6.6 yards per catch last season. Foster of course made headlines by being kicked out of the combine after an argument with a hospital worker during medical checks, which will likely make his off-field the biggest concern about him for many teams. Those issues aside, he is a complete player and could still be selected in the top 10.
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Posted on 4/16/17 at 5:24 pm to TideSaint
PFF's Analysis of Reuben Foster
But, hey. What do they know?
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Name: Reuben Foster
School: Alabama
Position fit: ILB
Stats to know: Led all FBS linebackers in run-stop percentage in the 2016 season.
What he does best:
-Flashes the lateral agility and speed to run with tight ends, as well as chase down run plays from the back side.
-Has the speed to get depth, also capable of flipping his hips and locating the ball in coverage. Tied for the national lead with seven pass breakups in 2015.
-Has the ability to take on bigger blockers at the line of scrimmage—can stand up at the point of attack, as well as shed to make the play.
-Stays low and square to the point of attack—this allows him to wrap up and strike through the ball carrier, as well as establish leverage and hold his ground against bigger blockers.
-Needs to diversify his attack, but has the quickness to be an effective blitzer on interior pass rushes.
-Excels at sifting through the trash to find the ball.
Can beat blockers with quickness and with his hands.
Biggest concern:
-Tries to run around blocks at times; takes him out of his gap assignments on occasion.
-Needs to use his hands when rushing the passer—will at times try to simply run by interior blockers.
-When he gets overly aggressive, Foster tends to leave his feet and will miss tackles; he missed 16 in 2016.
-Too often attacks the line of scrimmage with his arms at his sides, allowing blockers to quickly latch on and seal him out of the play.
Player Comparison: Patrick Willis, LB, 49ers (2007–2014 seasons)
High praise, but it’s a reflection on Foster’s ability to do everything. He has the top-end athleticism that Willis had, which allows him to play sideline-to-sideline and cover running backs, tight ends and slot receivers, as well as the strength and physicality needed to consistently take on and beat blocks on inside runs.
Bottom line:
Foster is a complete prospect, and should be considered among the elite players in this draft class. He graded well in all three phases of defense, most notably posting the highest overall and run-defense grades among FBS LBs, as well as the eighth-highest pass-coverage grade among LBs with at least 300 coverage snaps played. His athleticism is evident in all phases, as he has the quickness and change of direction needed to be an effective pass-rusher (he posted 22 total pressures in 2016 on just 93 rushes). He excels in all forms of coverage, but most notably in man, as his speed and closing ability allow him to consistently stay with backs and TEs and make plays on the ball. Against the run, he does an excellent job of staying square to the line of scrimmage, which allows him to move laterally to the boundary and effectively adjust to cutbacks. He demonstrates the ability to take on blockers at the point of attack and either stand them up to clog up the hole or shed them altogether to finish the play. At times, though, Foster will try to run around blocks and not use his hands to set them. While the importance of inside linebackers in the NFL has been, to an extent, lessened by the modern game, Foster’s rare ability in all phases means he is worth top-10 consideration.
But, hey. What do they know?
Posted on 4/16/17 at 5:31 pm to BigBrod81
Good post. I was really liking Foster at #11, may need to reconsider.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 5:41 pm to TideSaint
Wrong. It was 2 passing plays & 1 run play for a TD actually.
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Clemson motions Wayne Gallman wide out of the backfield. Foster shadows Gallman leaving the middle of the field unoccupied. Foster has a chance to make this a minimal gain as he peels back to make a tackle but instead he goes for the kill shot on Deon Cain with his helmet down. Foster misses the tackle. Foster also takes out another player who is trailing, trying to make a play himself.
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Jordan Leggett beats Foster down the seam.
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Foster is late getting to the outside allowing Watson to get the edge for a TD.
1.
Clemson motions Wayne Gallman wide out of the backfield. Foster shadows Gallman leaving the middle of the field unoccupied. Foster has a chance to make this a minimal gain as he peels back to make a tackle but instead he goes for the kill shot on Deon Cain with his helmet down. Foster misses the tackle. Foster also takes out another player who is trailing, trying to make a play himself.
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Jordan Leggett beats Foster down the seam.
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Foster is late getting to the outside allowing Watson to get the edge for a TD.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 4/16/17 at 5:41 pm to drizztiger
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Good post.
He's completely wrong.
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I was really liking Foster at #11
I would venture to say pretty much every Saints fan who doesn't cheer for LSU on Saturday nights would agree with you.
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may need to reconsider.
He'll probably be off the board by #11 anyway.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 5:42 pm to BigBrod81
Its not much of a gotcha to me concerning the NFL or any team exploiting every single opposing players weaknesses. I doubt there is a single LB'er in the draft without them.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 5:46 pm to BigBrod81
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Clemson motions Wayne Gallman wide out of the backfield. Foster shadows Gallman leaving the middle of the field unoccupied. Foster has a chance to make this a minimal gain as he peels back to make a tackle but instead he goes for the kill shot on Deon Cain with his helmet down. Foster misses the tackle. Foster also takes out another player who trailing, trying to make a play himself.
So Foster follows his assignment which is to cover the RB and you're blaming him for a WR screen to the opposite side of the field? Are you serious?
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Jordan Leggett beats Foster down the seam.
Looked to me like he was expecting Safety help over the top. But seeing as we had a backup Safety in the game that support wasn't there.
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Foster is late getting to the outside allowing Watson to get the edge for a TD.
I'm guessing you just completely ignored Ronnie Harrison cutting in front of Foster keeping him from getting to Watson, huh?
Posted on 4/16/17 at 5:48 pm to goatmilker
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I doubt there is a single LB'er in the draft without them.
True & those with them get taken advantage of especially at MLB. Remember Curtis Lofton being picked on in the passing game despite being a thumper in the run game? How soon we forget LBs like Shanle & Hawthorne being abused by the opposition's pass game.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 5:59 pm to TideSaint
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So Foster follows his assignment which is to cover the RB
If Foster is smart, he knows what Clemson is trying to do presnap while selling that he is covering Gallman then cutting back quickly to where the bubble screen is going. I'm sorry if I expect more from an ILB/MLB. The best to ever do it in Black & Gold would have diagnosed the play presnap & been in position to make a play. Too bad you aren't old enough to have seen Field Mouse play.
Dome Patrol
How about you listen to what former Falcon offensive line, Jaime Dukes, says about Sam Mills.
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Looked to me like he was expecting Safety help over the top. But seeing as we had a backup Safety in the game that support wasn't there.
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I'm guessing you just completely ignored Ronnie Harrison cutting in front of Foster keeping him from getting to Watson, huh?
These are both bullshite homer excuses. Foster gets cut off because he is late to react to a run to the short side of the field. There is no excuse for that.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 6:05 pm to TideSaint
quote:If true, then I'm back on board.
He's completely wrong.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 6:14 pm to drizztiger
WEAKNESSES
Instincts are just average. Overly reliant on speed and athleticism over instincts and feel. Can be a tick slow to respond to play-action. Inconsistent defeating blocks. Too eager to take on everyone at the point of attack. Gets shoulder covered up firing into incoming blockers. Needs to improve stack and shed technique to keep himself clean. Will drop his head at times as tackler. Poor tackling technique led to "stinger" issues early in his career.
NFL.com
The highlighted portion is perfectly on display in the 3 gifs that I posted.
Instincts are just average. Overly reliant on speed and athleticism over instincts and feel. Can be a tick slow to respond to play-action. Inconsistent defeating blocks. Too eager to take on everyone at the point of attack. Gets shoulder covered up firing into incoming blockers. Needs to improve stack and shed technique to keep himself clean. Will drop his head at times as tackler. Poor tackling technique led to "stinger" issues early in his career.
NFL.com
The highlighted portion is perfectly on display in the 3 gifs that I posted.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 6:30 pm to BigBrod81
I got BigBrod81 up 3-0 on these points.....
TS I like the you are totally wrong POV. But it's because you said so. Nothing really to back it up other than RF is the man.
He cannot read the offense, imagine what Matt ryan, Cam Newton will do to him...
Again BB81 is saying he cannot read offense.....just like I mentioned, CSP is a technician not a babysitter.....that is why they will pass on him. Done deal homie...
TS I like the you are totally wrong POV. But it's because you said so. Nothing really to back it up other than RF is the man.
He cannot read the offense, imagine what Matt ryan, Cam Newton will do to him...
Again BB81 is saying he cannot read offense.....just like I mentioned, CSP is a technician not a babysitter.....that is why they will pass on him. Done deal homie...
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 4/16/17 at 6:34 pm to Lilpickles
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Nothing really to back it up other than RF is the man.
Nothing to back it up?
Are you fricking retarded?
Look at the top of the page, moron.
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I got BigBrod81 up 3-0 on these points.....
Of course you do. You'd take Big Bird's side if he said something negative about an Alabama football player.
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that is why they will pass on him. Done deal homie...
Gonna be hard to pass on someone who is drafted before pick #11.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 4/16/17 at 6:41 pm to L.A.
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Reuben Foster
he's a thumper, but i can't see him being effective in the NFL...his coverage skills are subpar and he's often late to the play.... will be effective on ST, but can't see him being a very good as an every down LB...
being a big hitter doesn't make him a great LB prospect, and when you throw in his antics, he's not someone i'd be very high on, if i were a GM.... take him off the board? no, but i'd also have him pretty low, comparatively speaking...
Posted on 4/16/17 at 6:46 pm to chRxis
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his coverage skills are subpar and he's often late to the play.... will be effective on ST, but can't see him being a very good as an every down LB...
Where do some of you morons come up with this shite?
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Foster’s all-around athleticism is complemented nicely by his instincts, both against the run and pass. He led the country in run-stop percentage in 2016, making 52 run stops while missing just five tackles. Also a strong player in coverage, he gave up an average of just 6.6 yards per catch last season.
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-Has the speed to get depth, also capable of flipping his hips and locating the ball in coverage. Tied for the national lead with seven pass breakups in 2015.
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High praise, but it’s a reflection on Foster’s ability to do everything. He has the top-end athleticism that Willis had, which allows him to play sideline-to-sideline and cover running backs, tight ends and slot receivers, as well as the strength and physicality needed to consistently take on and beat blocks on inside runs.
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He excels in all forms of coverage, but most notably in man, as his speed and closing ability allow him to consistently stay with backs and TEs and make plays on the ball.
I mean, Goddamn, it's already been posted on this page.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 6:50 pm to chRxis
Standard answer, you morons, where do you come up with......
Rubén mutherfricking foster cannot read plays"...from Rubens mouth. That is what is being said.
The rest is subjective opinions...
Rubén mutherfricking foster cannot read plays"...from Rubens mouth. That is what is being said.
The rest is subjective opinions...
Posted on 4/16/17 at 6:51 pm to Chad504boy
The difference is Lawrence Taylor wouldn't make it half a year in today's NFL substance abuse policy
Posted on 4/16/17 at 6:54 pm to Lilpickles
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Rubén mutherfricking foster cannot read plays"...from Rubens mouth.
I guess Reuben is making up it all up too.
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"I've been working to get better," Foster says. "Other people learn different, other people have ADHD, or have a learning disorder. X's and O's on boards is hard to do for me. I second-guess myself."
Posted on 4/16/17 at 7:06 pm to BigBrod81
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I guess Reuben is making up it all up too.
Oh so now we're changing the narrative from "he's not good in coverage, he lacks instincts, etc." to quoting him say he doesn't do well with the white board in the classroom.
What a surprise.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 7:15 pm to TideSaint
I've provided visuals dumbass. Rueben probably cheated off of you in school after he punked you on the short bus while en route to school.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 7:16 pm
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