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Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:14 pm to tconle2
quote:
Congrats to LB Dominique Tovell for signing with the New Orleans Saints!! #CajunsInTheNFL #WhoDat #NewOrleansSaints
He about to take someone's spot
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:17 pm to bonethug0108
G Landon Turner North Carolina
C Jack Allen Mich State
C Marcus Henry Boise St
OT Avery Young from Auburn
OT Ryker Matthews BYU
OL Joseph Cheeks Tex A/M
WR Jared Dangerfield WKU
WR Tommylee Lewis Northern Ill
WR Jordan Williams-Lambert Ball St
FB Sione Houma Michigan
CB De'Vante Harris from A&M
DB Trae Elston Ole Miss
CB Ken Crawley Colorado
CB, John Walker Colorado
OLB Dillon Lee Bama
DE DJ Pettway Bama
DE Mitchell Loewen Arkansas
LB Jeff Schoettmer North Carolina
LB out of UL Lafayette Dominique Tovell
C Jack Allen Mich State
C Marcus Henry Boise St
OT Avery Young from Auburn
OT Ryker Matthews BYU
OL Joseph Cheeks Tex A/M
WR Jared Dangerfield WKU
WR Tommylee Lewis Northern Ill
WR Jordan Williams-Lambert Ball St
FB Sione Houma Michigan
CB De'Vante Harris from A&M
DB Trae Elston Ole Miss
CB Ken Crawley Colorado
CB, John Walker Colorado
OLB Dillon Lee Bama
DE DJ Pettway Bama
DE Mitchell Loewen Arkansas
LB Jeff Schoettmer North Carolina
LB out of UL Lafayette Dominique Tovell
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:17 pm to bonethug0108
Didn't want to start a new thread on this yet, but an early look at next year's roster and cap shows 59 players under contract (though that's including the 17 UDFAs who surely won't all make it) with about $50 mil in space.
The biggest FAs we have are Brees, Armstead, Unger, potentially Fairley, and potentially Lelito (last two depends on play this year).
Given that we backload contracts (which is the best thing to do as players rarely see the big payday in the last year or two) we can easily resign them all if we want and have lots of room for FAs.
A hypothetical Brees contract could be 3 years at $28 mil per on the high end. I'll assume it may be closer to $25 mil per. We can likely fit him in at $20 mil on the cap.
Armstead may command about $16 mil per. He should be on a longer contract so maybe 6 years. That lets you ramp his up more gradually. We can easily fit him in with an $8 mil cap hit year one.
Unger is getting older and center isn't as costly. He may command $7 mil per at 2-3 years. Could get him on the cap for $4 mil year one.
Even if Lelito starts I don't expect him to get more than $4 mil, but I'll put him at $3 mil per. He can sign a longer contract, likely between 3-5 years. $2 mil is an easy number for year one.
Fairley is more tricky and it really depends not only on his production but the other guys at his position. Shouldn't command more than $5 mil per even with a good year (unless he really goes off). Putting it closer to $3 mil per and giving him the same $2 mil first year hit as Lelito.
If all five are resigned for around those amounts it comes to $36 mil of the cap, leaving us with about $14 mil left.
We could also choose to do even heavier backloading like we've done when slammed against the cap, but I don't see it being necessary.
This is also before any cuts, restructures, or potential paycuts.
The biggest FAs we have are Brees, Armstead, Unger, potentially Fairley, and potentially Lelito (last two depends on play this year).
Given that we backload contracts (which is the best thing to do as players rarely see the big payday in the last year or two) we can easily resign them all if we want and have lots of room for FAs.
A hypothetical Brees contract could be 3 years at $28 mil per on the high end. I'll assume it may be closer to $25 mil per. We can likely fit him in at $20 mil on the cap.
Armstead may command about $16 mil per. He should be on a longer contract so maybe 6 years. That lets you ramp his up more gradually. We can easily fit him in with an $8 mil cap hit year one.
Unger is getting older and center isn't as costly. He may command $7 mil per at 2-3 years. Could get him on the cap for $4 mil year one.
Even if Lelito starts I don't expect him to get more than $4 mil, but I'll put him at $3 mil per. He can sign a longer contract, likely between 3-5 years. $2 mil is an easy number for year one.
Fairley is more tricky and it really depends not only on his production but the other guys at his position. Shouldn't command more than $5 mil per even with a good year (unless he really goes off). Putting it closer to $3 mil per and giving him the same $2 mil first year hit as Lelito.
If all five are resigned for around those amounts it comes to $36 mil of the cap, leaving us with about $14 mil left.
We could also choose to do even heavier backloading like we've done when slammed against the cap, but I don't see it being necessary.
This is also before any cuts, restructures, or potential paycuts.
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:21 pm to Geralt of Rantia
Ouch if true.
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:23 pm to tconle2
-just checking in here...
Have the UDFA signings diminished the whining about no guard drafted?
Avery Young has a 4th or 5th Rd draft projection-
https://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/avery-young?id=2555497
Landon Turner has a 4th or 5th Rd draft projection-
https://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/landon-turner?id=2555139
The Center Jack Allen a 5th Rd draft projection-
https://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/jack-allen?id=2555183
Haven't looked but would think some of the UDFAs are on the Best Unsigned Lists. A just on those three. The Saints are among the best with UDFAs. They have established perhaps the strongest reputation in the league for giving guys a legitimate shot. So, who do ya wanna sign with if ya have a choice? Kudos for the CFL signings too.
Have the UDFA signings diminished the whining about no guard drafted?
Avery Young has a 4th or 5th Rd draft projection-
https://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/avery-young?id=2555497
Landon Turner has a 4th or 5th Rd draft projection-
https://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/landon-turner?id=2555139
The Center Jack Allen a 5th Rd draft projection-
https://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/jack-allen?id=2555183
Haven't looked but would think some of the UDFAs are on the Best Unsigned Lists. A just on those three. The Saints are among the best with UDFAs. They have established perhaps the strongest reputation in the league for giving guys a legitimate shot. So, who do ya wanna sign with if ya have a choice? Kudos for the CFL signings too.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:36 pm to Fun Bunch
That is what I call one HELL of an UDFA O-LINE Class
G Landon Turner North Carolina -Starter in 2 yrs or less
C Jack Allen Mich State - Starter in 2 yrs or less
C Marcus Henry Boise St - Starter @ G in 2 yrs
OT Avery Young from Auburn - Starter in 3 yrs or less
G Landon Turner North Carolina -Starter in 2 yrs or less
C Jack Allen Mich State - Starter in 2 yrs or less
C Marcus Henry Boise St - Starter @ G in 2 yrs
OT Avery Young from Auburn - Starter in 3 yrs or less
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:37 pm to blueslover
I'm especially excited about Avery Young. I think he can be a starting guard down the road. And I think Allen could possibly be a starter at C as well. I"m not as sold on Turner, just looking as his film, but I love it that we signed him as a UDFA.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:41 pm to L.A.
At worst all 3 will give much needed depth
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:49 pm to bonethug0108
Your analysis is always on point.
quote:
Didn't want to start a new thread on this yet, but an early look at next year's roster and cap shows 59 players under contract (though that's including the 17 UDFAs who surely won't all make it) with about $50 mil in space.
The biggest FAs we have are Brees, Armstead, Unger, potentially Fairley, and potentially Lelito (last two depends on play this year).
Given that we backload contracts (which is the best thing to do as players rarely see the big payday in the last year or two) we can easily resign them all if we want and have lots of room for FAs.
A hypothetical Brees contract could be 3 years at $28 mil per on the high end. I'll assume it may be closer to $25 mil per. We can likely fit him in at $20 mil on the cap.
Armstead may command about $16 mil per. He should be on a longer contract so maybe 6 years. That lets you ramp his up more gradually. We can easily fit him in with an $8 mil cap hit year one.
Unger is getting older and center isn't as costly. He may command $7 mil per at 2-3 years. Could get him on the cap for $4 mil year one.
Even if Lelito starts I don't expect him to get more than $4 mil, but I'll put him at $3 mil per. He can sign a longer contract, likely between 3-5 years. $2 mil is an easy number for year one.
Fairley is more tricky and it really depends not only on his production but the other guys at his position. Shouldn't command more than $5 mil per even with a good year (unless he really goes off). Putting it closer to $3 mil per and giving him the same $2 mil first year hit as Lelito.
If all five are resigned for around those amounts it comes to $36 mil of the cap, leaving us with about $14 mil left.
We could also choose to do even heavier backloading like we've done when slammed against the cap, but I don't see it being necessary.
This is also before any cuts, restructures, or potential paycuts.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:59 pm to Mrwhodat
Thanks. That was really just a rough estimate though. After some numbers come in and I check into average contracts for comparable players I'll be able to give a better outlook.
I say at bare minimum we'll have $10 mil in cap if we resign all five of those guys (before cuts, etc.), and potentially up to $30 mil though that is less realistic. I think $20 mil in space is most likely (though that's with one or two of these guys walking not named Brees or Armstead).
It sure in the hell beats the $20 mil over we started with a couple of years back.
I say at bare minimum we'll have $10 mil in cap if we resign all five of those guys (before cuts, etc.), and potentially up to $30 mil though that is less realistic. I think $20 mil in space is most likely (though that's with one or two of these guys walking not named Brees or Armstead).
It sure in the hell beats the $20 mil over we started with a couple of years back.
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:20 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
New Orleans Saints deal for safety Mike Caputo includes $2,500 of base salary guaranteed, $3,000 signing bonus
from Wisc
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:45 pm to blueslover
Allen and Turner don't look like UDFA 
Good for us.
Good for us.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:53 pm to blueslover
I love this class. Payton/Ireland/Loomis killed it
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:53 pm to bonethug0108
Bone... do you suggest extending Brees this year or next (tag being worst case) . Asking because it seems we are finding the light at the end of the cap hell tunnel
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:59 pm to Mr.Perfect
We cannot let him hit FA and he is too expensive to tag, though we can technically afford it. Need to tag Armstead instead though.
But Brees' agent may be willing to play chicken and let Brees become a FA. Risky but more profittable.
But Brees' agent may be willing to play chicken and let Brees become a FA. Risky but more profittable.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 1:25 am to bonethug0108
Rock and a hard place. Condon knows it.
Can't tag or lose Drew.
Can't afford to lose Armstead either.
Need to restructure Drew before 2017.
Hopefully Drew can agree to a reasonable deal. After 160 mill already in Saint dollars frick his life problems. Take 23-25 per over 3 or 4 years and call it a career.
This does not include book or endorsement money(11 mill alone in endo money for 2015)
Can't tag or lose Drew.
Can't afford to lose Armstead either.
Need to restructure Drew before 2017.
Hopefully Drew can agree to a reasonable deal. After 160 mill already in Saint dollars frick his life problems. Take 23-25 per over 3 or 4 years and call it a career.
This does not include book or endorsement money(11 mill alone in endo money for 2015)
Posted on 5/1/16 at 2:31 am to partywiththelombardi
quote:Won't happen. Drew wants a 5 yr deal @ 30M per and he believes he can get that in the open market if the Saints don't pony up.
Hopefully Drew can agree to a reasonable deal. After 160 mill already in Saint dollars frick his life problems. Take 23-25 per over 3 or 4 years and call it a career.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 3:05 am to JazzyJeff
And how do you know that? Are you banging Brittany?
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