re: Mock Draft BS- Odell Beckham is not a good return man

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Bigger hands

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Jarvis has the bigger hands at 10 1/4". Beckham measured 10".

Nice post. Just say no to O

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Jarvis >>>> OBJ

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I agree with this if Jarvis is at full health

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But his showing at the combine puts those catches in perspective. It makes you wonder if Landry had to make those catches because he couldn't get separation from the CBs. If he can't gain separation in college he won't be able to do it in the NFL, especially with how physical CBs are playing lately.

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I would look to see how Landry did against Alabama and TCU for a taste of what he COULD do to NFL corners.

109 yds and TD against TCU
80 yds against Bama

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When comparing Jarvis and OBJ, it's a no contest. There is nothing physically that Jarvis can point to as being more impressive than OBJ. Physicality, hands, and pass blocking are things you can learn.

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OBJ dropped really easy passes occassionally and sometimes consistently, which can point to how strong his hands are and how he finds the ball in the air. Oh, and I dont know if you forgot about Jarvis on special teams, but that hit on that Auburn returner was pretty legit.

Again, I think OBJ could be a good WR, but I would rather Jarvis anyday.

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He may have ability as PR, but he only had 1 great KR all year long- against Bama.

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You were saying?


bonus grab .gif, just for you OP:

KICK RETURNS No. Yards Avg TD Long
Odell Beckham 32 845 26.4 0 82

All purpose yards?
Odell Beckham:
Punt Return - 160 yards
Kick Return - 845 yards
Average/game - 178.1 yards

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Get your heads out of your arse

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Do some research before you open up that laptop and play saints GM

Is that you Devin Hester?

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There is nothing physically that Jarvis can point to as being more impressive than OBJ. Physicality, hands, and pass blocking are things you can learn.

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Thats a head scratcher... So the things Jarvis is better at, you can learn to do, but the things OBJ is better at, you cant. Right right.... In shorts and tee shirts, OBJ > Jarvis. On the field and in pads, Jarvis > OBJ. And is a much better football player.

And I get he had a bad time. But he never had an issue with speed in the SEC. Hell, his freshman year on kickoffs he was the 1st guy down the field. Ahead of guys like Mingo, Ron Brooks, Reid, Claiborne, TM, Blue, etc. All of those guys had better times at the combine in shorts and t shirts. A 40 time in shorts and t shirt isnt and being fast on the field in pads going against someone trying to stop you are 2 diff things. How many times does a guy run free for 10 yards, much less 40 yards, in a game? Never. Perfect example of combine speed / game speed: Jared Cook ran a 4.50 in the combine. Same time as TM. But on the field, I saw TM catch Cook from behind and strip the ball. But both guys ran the same time at the combine... how did that happen?

And you can "learn" to be more consistent catching the ball better, blocking, etc. I agree with you there, but you can also work to get faster, quicker, etc. And you cant make a player turn into a physical player or into a natural pass catcher. They can get better at it, but still arent naturally physical players or natural catching the ball. Jarvis is a guy that is natural at catching the ball and naturally physical. OBJ has had his fair share of drops, and prefers the finesse over the physicality part of the game.

And the main difference between OBJ and Jarvis, IMO, isnt something you can measure at the combine. Jarvis has the attitude of a dog in a fight with his back up against the wall. He wants to physically dominate his opponent every snap. Hes more than willing to lay a block to free the ball carrier, or to sell a route that creates space for another player to get open. He wants to play on special teams and go down there and drop someone and make a play. I cant tell you how many times Ive seen Jarvis down field blocking his opponent into the bench to spring a teammate for a big play or TD and got up celebrating like he made the game winning catch in the Super Bowl. And ive never seen him hang his head. I have seen OBJ hang his head while at LSU, regardless if they won or lost.

And like you said, DBs are playing much more physical now a days and in press man coverage. If you watched these guys play the last few years, you would see its the complete opposite with shedding a defender and getting off the line. Jarvis is actually better at getting off the line going against bump and run press coverage, while OBJ struggled against the teams that did at against us.

OBJ is better at going against DBs that play off of him, allowing him to get a free release and use his speed as a strength. When you bump OBJ and get physical with him at the line, he struggles to get free and into his routes, taking away his biggest thread which is his speed. Jarvis knows how to shed defenders playing press coverage on him. Much more physical and can rip through a DB bumping at the line. And Jarvis is actually very quick off the line and knows how to sell his fakes and routes much better than OBJ does.

And those amazing catches Jarvis made had nothing to do with his separation. Most were bad decisions by Mett and Jarvis bailed him out by making amazing catches in front of multiple defenders.

The fact that you said Jarvis' could be "uncompetitive" in the NFL based off of what he did in shorts and t shirt is laughable. Coaches and scouts all agree that film > combine and its not really close. They all know who they like before the combine. And its not like Jarvis was dominating SWAC guys or whatever. He was doing it against SEC DBs. Guys like Milliner, Haha, Slay, Banks, Purifoy, Roberson,etc. Never had any trouble getting separation against them or was too slow to go against them. In fact, Jarvis was way better than OBJ was against SEC and top 25 opponents. And when LSU was losing or tied. And was way more clutch as a player than OBJ.

On the field, Jarvis reminds me of a smaller Keenan Allen, said that during the season and way before the combine. And after the combine, the same things were said about Allen that people are saying about Jarvis.

I do agree OBJ has a higher ceiling than Jarvis. But he also has bust potential more than Jarvis as well. Out of all top WRs in the draft, OBJ and Kelvin Benjamin have the most bust potential IMO.

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I agree, pro teams look at potential. And I agree OBJ has a higher upside and is a better athlete. But that doesnt mean he will pan out.

Oh and its funny you mention the hand thing. All year long analysts were saying OBJ has huge hands and all that. Well, Jarvis hands are actually bigger. OBJ has 10in hands, Jarvis has 10 1/4. Bigger hands.

And all that stuff is true. OBJ has better speed, burst, etc. Hes also made 2 of the biggest mistakes the past 2 years at LSU. Getting stripped by Matt Elam vs UF on a 60yard play and muffing the punt vs UGA this past season. Both were game changing plays that happened late in the game. And LSU ended up losing.

OBJ is the better athlete, Jarvis is the better football player right now. Hes more physical, better route runner, best hands in the draft, great blocker, and can get off the line better against press coverage than OBJ did. And hes clutch in the big moment.

Go look at the stats between the 2. OBJ dominated against teams like UAB, Furman, Miss St(Jarvis was hurt), and TCU.

Versus SEC opponents:
OBJ - 36 catches for 583yards 2 TDs
Jarvis - 53 catches for 839yards 5 TDs.

Versus ranked opponents:
OBJ - 21 catches for 375yards 0 TDs.
Jarvis - 31 catches for 500 yards 4 TDs

When tied or losing by 1-7pts:
OBJ -21 catches for 420 yards and 0 TDs
Jarvis - 36 catches for 529yards and 2 TDs.

In November / Dec (Crunch time of the year):
OBJ - 11 catches for 143 yards and 0 TDs.
Jarvis - 19 catches for 311yards and 2 TDs.

OBJ def has the higher ceiling, but also has much bigger bust potential than Jarvis. Jarvis virtually has no floor. Hes going to come in and be a productive #2 WR in the NFL. OBJ could be a really good or a flop.

You can get better value by getting Jarvis in the 3rd as well. And if we take a WR in the 1st, I hope its Jordan Matthews.

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