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re: Mel Kiper's Biggest Freaks in the 2014 Draft
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:09 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:09 am to GynoSandberg
I would add Telvin Smith LB Florida State to that freak list. I would love to snag him in the second.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:12 am to Mr. Hangover
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Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss
This guy or Matthews if you had a choice in the 2nd?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:20 am to whodatfan
Here is what Kiper said about some of the guys we have been talking about:
Another guy I could've included in the 1st post
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Dri Archer, RB, Kent State At just 5-8, 173, you expect Archer to be fast -- and he is. He ran a blazing 4.26 40 and put up a 38-inch vertical, but Archer is also seriously strong. He put up 20 reps at 225 pounds. Think about that total from a player his size. I think he can go as high as Round 3.
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Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State Last year, Tavon Austin jumped in the draft after his workout totals matched up with his exceptional production. Well, no WR in college football caught more passes than Cooks last year, and all he did was run faster (4.33), jump higher and pump out more reps than Austin -- and he did so while 15 pounds heavier, two inches taller (5-10), and with longer arms.
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Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State He's the total package as far as athletes go. He was timed at a hometown discount 4.36 at his pro day, but is easily a sub-4.5 runner, and he also had a crazy-good 42-inch vertical and 130-inch broad jump in Indy. Good thing for Shazier -- he looks fast in pads, too. If I'm drafting, Shazier's a first-round lock.
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Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State He ran a fast 4.39 officially in Indy, and you can see the explosiveness on the field. Roby also quietly put up 17 reps at 192 pounds, showing pretty good strength numbers, which help his case.
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Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State He ran faster than any CB in Indy, going 4.37, but did so at 6-foot, 202 pounds, and also knocked out 20 reps even though he has 33 1/8-inch arms. A likely middle-first-round pick.
Another guy I could've included in the 1st post
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Terrence Brooks, S, Florida State He was the fastest safety in Indy with a 4.42 and is an explosive leaper. More important, Brooks plays fast -- sometimes too fast as he can miss tackles when he flies to the ball. But many teams need safeties, and I could see Brooks gone in Round 2.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:26 am to GynoSandberg
Matthews will not be available when our pick rolls around in the second. He may even go late first.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:32 am to whodatfan
Tomato potato
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:42 am to Isaid
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Matthews will not be available when our pick rolls around in the second. He may even go late first.
He's going to the Jets damnit.
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This guy or Matthews if you had a choice in the 2nd?
Moncrief or Matthews
6'2 vs. 6'3
32 3/8'' vs. 33 1/4'' arm length
221 vs. 212 lbs
9 1/8'' vs. 10 3/8'' hands
4.40 vs. 4.46 40 time
13 vs. 21 bench press
39.5 vs. 35.5 vert
132 vs. 120 broad
7.02 vs. 6.95 cone
4.30 vs. 4.18 20 yard shuttle
Based on measurable and production...I've gotta go with matthews
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:46 am to htran90
Matthews at 27 or Moncrief at 58?
These numbers stand out to me when comparing the 2
221
4.4
39.5
132
I think if Moncrief has a QB that can put the ball on him he will be special
These numbers stand out to me when comparing the 2
221
4.4
39.5
132
I think if Moncrief has a QB that can put the ball on him he will be special
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:48 am to GynoSandberg
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I like Sankey but I think he will be gone by the time we would want to go RB, if we even want to at all.
Yeah, we'd probably have to take him in the second or trade up in the third to get him. I just think he's the better comparison to Sproles.
That being said, I wouldn't mind if we got him in the 2nd round. He fills a huge need we have on offense. We've seen how important that Reggie Bush/Darren Sproles role is on this team.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:49 am to GynoSandberg
Talking about these guys and their draft positions makes me just gasp in awe of Colston and his draft pick. 
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:56 am to whodatfan
shite, Graham and Moore too.
In the end, Brees will make whoever we draft at WR a stud. Which is why CSP and co could see a guy in the 2nd or even 3rd (Jarvis Landry?) that they think fits and just wait on WR. Add depth to other positions early on.
This is going to be the most interesting draft for the Saints in years. The surplus at WR really shakes things up
In the end, Brees will make whoever we draft at WR a stud. Which is why CSP and co could see a guy in the 2nd or even 3rd (Jarvis Landry?) that they think fits and just wait on WR. Add depth to other positions early on.
This is going to be the most interesting draft for the Saints in years. The surplus at WR really shakes things up
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:01 pm to GynoSandberg
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Jerick McKinnon, RB, Georgia Southern
Went into college as a DB, played qb, and going to be drafted as a rb.
Was top 5 (with rbs) in every category at the combine. He is raw, but he will be able to be play any position he is put at.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:01 pm to whodatfan
Some scout got a fat stocking for christmas that year!
Great hands and route running. Thats what CSP must have.
Its why I'm not sold on Lee(hands) or Montcrief(route running).
And its why Colston could not be shoved off the field in camp his rookie year.
Was always in the right spot with the hands.
And its why guys like ODB and Landry I'm sure are on CSP would take list.
Great hands and route running. Thats what CSP must have.
Its why I'm not sold on Lee(hands) or Montcrief(route running).
And its why Colston could not be shoved off the field in camp his rookie year.
Was always in the right spot with the hands.
And its why guys like ODB and Landry I'm sure are on CSP would take list.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:23 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:Nick Toon and Adrian Arrington say hi. And they wouldn't be the only 2(just the 2 with maybe the most potential with jack shite to show for it). MAYBE Toon turns it around, but this is the same thing as the myth about ALWAYS finding Olinemen late.
In the end, Brees will make whoever we draft at WR a stud.
Sure there are cases where both worked, but there are also cases of complete busts.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:35 pm to bonethug0108
What does Nick Toon or Arrington have to do with anything?
I'm talking about whoever we draft this year. As in our 1st or 2nd round pick.
I'm talking about whoever we draft this year. As in our 1st or 2nd round pick.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:39 pm to bonethug0108
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Sure there are cases where both worked, but there are also cases of complete busts.
People don't give the WR's that we have had enough credit and think that Drew can do everything without any help. He's good, but no one is that good.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:42 pm to Peazey
Nick Toon has 8 career games under his belt, too. He was practically a rookie last season. The main knock on him was the drops.
Arrington's main knock was that he couldn't catch.
These WRs have to help themselves before Brees helps them. Being able to catch is a huge thing.
So you are right, they probably don't get near enough credit. Both sides benefit from each other
Arrington's main knock was that he couldn't catch.
These WRs have to help themselves before Brees helps them. Being able to catch is a huge thing.
So you are right, they probably don't get near enough credit. Both sides benefit from each other
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:49 pm to goatmilker
Colston had the want and Brees like work ethic. Thats why he was such a shock relative to his draft position.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:00 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:That was my point. The way you stated what I quoted made it sound like Brees could take anyone and make them great(because that's what you did say).
So you are right, they probably don't get near enough credit. Both sides benefit from each other
The receiver has to be skilled. Not everyone mocked in the 1st and 2nd have great skills. Some of these guys are just physical freaks with "upside".
On Toon, yeah I said he can turn it around. Just pointing out that despite all the physical talent, Brees still couldn't make him look good last year.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:27 pm to GynoSandberg
Arrington was a 7th round pick too. Who gives a frick about him
Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:49 pm to GeauxAggie972
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I wouldn't mind a d-line of Hageman, Hicks and Jordan
Young, big and athletic. If your front 3 can get to the QB and play the run, then the guys behind them automatically become MUCH better players. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to end up with that D-Line.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 1:50 pm
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