re: Mark Ingram averaged 5.1 YPC last season, am I missing something?

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He fumbled several times in key moments of games last year, lack of homerun hitter speed and bad attitude make him average

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Wait you're mad about fumbling but you're excited about a notorious fumbler?

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It's only Bc he played for Alabama.

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Or because he was a first round pick who was garbage his first few seasons. Averaged 487 yards a season his first 3 years and topped that off with a huge fumble in the playoffs. Took him 6 years to finally have a good season.

frick Mark Ingram and frick Alabama

didn't read the the thread but what you might be missing is the 133 carries that went out the door with Hightower. Ingram cracked 200 carries last year for the second time. He has averaged 169 carries a year. That isn't bellcow numbers. Definitely need a rotation back in the mix.

AP is a guy you don't wanna bet against. I like the risk versus the everyone said washed up Laurinitis.

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He is not useful in goal line or third and short. He isn't a homerun threat. He doesn't block all that well and he's a marginal receiver out of the backfield.

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He dropped like two passes last year, maybe. And he broke off several big runs as well. And now he's bad at blocking too?

This place never changes.

This is my honest take...Full disclosure I am an Auburn fan...Not LSU so maybe you think that takes me further down the hate track on Ingram...It doesn't I love the Saints and I really do not give a crap who takes the ball over the goal line. Unlike Ingram..Cue temper tantrum.

With that being said I have never been in love with his style of running.

(1) I think that he runs upright a little too much like his shoulders are always square to the line. I prefer more (Bull) shoulders down going forward.

(2) Ingram is a player that has to see or find the whole instead of anticipating that the hole is there. I understand having vision this goes beyond this. There is a distinct hesitation after he takes the ball to read what he sees and sometimes especially on 3rd and 2 you have to go to the gap where the play is called. Short yardage plays happen fast.

(3) The average is always mentioned. The average is very good.

I have made a point over the last few years to study what the Saints do in certain situations. Yes---Often we will throw on 3rd and 2. Is this a product of Brees wanting a higher comp % or a believe by Payton that a pass is a better short yardage option...You can decide...

I have seen numerous times where I believe that Ingram has gotten the bare minimum out of a play. Maybe it is 1st and 10 and he gets 4 yards could he have lowered the shoulder and perhaps leaned forward for an extra yard...maybe so.

Everyone knows that we run the ball on 2nd and 10 after an incomplete pass...So I will give him that one. Just Payton's lame attempt to get Brees into a more manageable 3rd and 6...Often 3rd and 8.

When looking at the average I like to say lets take out the top 2 runs and lets take out the bottom two runs and see what we have...Nothing special...

His average was 5.1 and I know you can do this with everyone just pointing at average.

Ingram's longest run last year was 75 yards. If you remove that one run his average goes down to 4.74 still pretty good.

He had 2 runs over 40 and 4 runs over 20. So only 4 times in 205 carries did Ingram bust one for longer than 20 yards.

From 2011-2014 he never had a run longer than 35 yards.

I know the one run was 75 the other was at least 40 and two others where at least 20. That is 155 yards on 4 runs...Fantastic if that was in game

Again backing out those 4 biggest runs and I might be off by 20-25 yards depending on the actual yardage on those three carries..the average drops to 4.4 Still a decent NFL average...

I just have to go by the eye test and to me I always feel like Ingram has left some yards on the field. Had the same feeling when Bush constantly went out of bounds.

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He went to Bama so we don't like him. Most would rather have literally anyone else of equal (or maybe slightly less) value. It's stupid. What's even more stupid is not admitting it. Trying to make performance based arguments for your Ingram hate makes you look like an ignorant follower. Just admit you don't like him because he went to Bama. If we had Julio, I'd wanna trade him for Antonio Brown or OBJ. Just is what it is.

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this is the dumbest thing I have seen on here today and that is saying something. Ingram is an OK back, that is all. He has not lived up to the hype coming off a Heisman trophy and the Saints trading back into the first to get him. I dont think anyone here would take Ingram over LF given the chance, even the biggest ff inbred Bama fans. I would take Julio over any receiver in football including OBJ. I would also love for Jonathen Allen to fall or draft Foster at 32.

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He may not drop many balls, but he is not trusted as Bush and Sproles were as a receiver.

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That doesn't mean he's bad at it like you claimed.
He's never been markets as a Sproles/Bush type back.
You're just reaching for insults.

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And no, he most certainly is not known for blocking

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This is bullshite.

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or short yardage

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Our run blocking has been suspect the last few years, but yes Ingram was not very good in short yardage early in his career.

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The guy has limitations.

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Sure, which is why you don't need to make shite up here.

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For some reason

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Oh because both of them had fathers that played in the NFL. Legacies always get hated on

Assuming that's what you meant, can't really think of anything else those two have in common

You are an idiot and that's ok. He has never finished higher than 11th in yards. Most time out of the top 15. That the definition of average. No he doesn't carry the load like a true number 1 and that's because he is limited and can't do it. The guy plays in an offensive system where he never sees a stacked box. He was not worth the first round pick. That is why he is hated on. I don't hate the guy. I just know he is an average NFL back at best.

What is the story on AP out of the backfield ? Man if he can catch he could have a big year.